Talk:Kirby's History

Proposed page reformatting

Background: a while ago while I was going around the files of Dream Collection, I started to play around with a possible Kirby's History page. It was really hard for me to find a good way to present all information of the mode in a good way for the wiki, and I was almost satisfied with my formatting. Things happened and I put it on hold, so I never even posted around my drafts. I see now that I took a really long break as I saw this page being created before I could even finish my formatting draft.

While I don't have issues with how the page is currently formatted, I personally still think the idea I was going with works better. As of right now the page is split between years and games, with years only presenting the random trivia listed in said years, and the games listed in a whole separate section after it. I feel this is counter intuitive, although at the same time I understand, since presenting all information about the games too in the same table would be impossible.

My formatting, as shown here, instead makes each year a section, with the trivia on the right, and the games on the left. I was considering adding the video thumbnails, although I never decided it they were needed. Ideally I wanted to rip the videos from the game itself and have them on the wiki, but I'm not sure if that's needed. Finally, maybe I could make the game boxes collapsible; wasn't sure on that. We could see later what we think.

Thoughts? - Gigi (talk • edits) 12:58, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

I think one whole table works better (for me) over sectioned left and right floating tables, and I don't have an issue with Years and Item details being separated into two tables at the moment. While I prefer the present one, yours looks interesting. ⁠–⁠Wiz (talk · edits) 13:16, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

I like the way you formatted the individual entries, but the current layout you have is very space inefficient, and I imagine people might be annoyed with the idea of trying to compress them into so many tabs. I used two separate tables because the idea of trying to contain everything into a single table would have made it very dense, particularly for mobile users (especially when the Japanese information is eventually added).

Also, as is currently mentioned on the Kirby's Dream Collection Special Edition page, the years can contain different things between versions, so trying to organize only by year while also including the Japanese content would have presented a problem in your current format. Although, I suppose that ultimately depends on whether or not we want to fully cover the Japanese version of Kirby's History. --Samwell (talk) 14:53, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

As the in-game Kirby's History is like a list, and this page is also like a list, I think that the best way to format this page is replicating the way of how the Game itself does it, which is: First, the long hall in where Kirby stands is the "main section". Then there are the years, which are either trophies or media, in which a short description of what happened in that year is written. And then there are the sections of the games themselves, were info and videos of each game can be seen. If in a year was a Trophy, it stops there without bringing you to the game section.
If we see the in-game Kirby's Story as a wiki page, I think that we could say that "the long hall in where Kirby stands" (or section 2) is the "Header 2", then "the years" (or section 3) are the "Headers 3" and finally "the games themselves" (or section 4) are the "Headers 4".

I see that Samwell's version makes one table describing all the sections/Headers 3, and then another table about all the sections/Headers 4.
I like this one because, in-game, the sections 4/the games are on a separate "menu", instead of being on the same hall as the years, making them basically 2 "separate menus" just how Samwell's ver. are 2 "separate tables".

And I see that Gigi's version instead make one section per year, where it explains the in-game sections 3 and 4.
I also like this one because it is more closer as how the game manages it. Even though the in-game section/Header 4 (the games info) are on a "separate menu", those separate menus are still subsections of the years (of the "Headers 3") instead of being an universal menu like Samwell's ver. is.

So I think that Gigi's ver. is better, as it is more close as how the game is: In the game, you stop at the years/Headers 3, and then see the info of that game/Header 4, just like in Gigi's version. In both versions, you see the info of each game separately.
In Samwell's ver. however, you instead see each year/Header 3 globally, and then you see each game/Header 4 globally, which is very different as how the game manages it.

Sorry if this was a bit confusing, I expect that my point was made clear. And about the Japanese thing, I think that just making a second "list" covering the Japanese version would be the best option, but maybe that could be discussed later. -Zolerian (talk | contribs) 19:33, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

If we were to add the Japanese version's history to the article, then allow me to indulge you in two sources: a quick video that briefly showcases the history (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0Nh2rp1sDw) and a TCRF article that has literal translations of the Japanese year information and a few scans from one of the manga featured in that version (https://tcrf.net/Kirby%27s_Dream_Collection:_Special_Edition#Regional_Differences). As for which design to use, I'm personally indifferent to both iterations, but that may not be the case for most other users. – Owencrazyboy17 (talk) 19:52, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

I feel like the proposed design has too much blank space in the middle. Would combining the two tables into one work? ---PinkYoshiFan 18:35, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Bump. ---PinkYoshiFan 21:49, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

I suspect Gigi is going to be busy with other things for the moment, so this discussion will probably have to be tabled for a while, unless of course you want to gather a consensus and lead the redesign yourself. --Samwell (talk) 01:35, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

For future reference

Here's a link to a video that shows the full JP version of Kirby's History. This can be used to complete the page (assuming you can read the language :P). --Samwell (talk) 21:57, 31 July 2022 (UTC)