Editing Talk:Mix

While I was playing [[Egg Engines - Stage 3]], I inhaled two Searches enemies and the Mix started. I supose that unless I touched the button to get a different ability, I would have gotten Crash anyway? To be clear, I let the roulette stop by itself. [[User:Lmn620|Lmn620]] ([[User talk:Lmn620|talk]]) 02:08, 20 September 2018 (UTC)Lmn620

== ''Kirby & The Amazing Mirror'' / Mechanics & Request to start covering this page ==
=== Mechanics of the Mix in ''K&TAM'' ===
I have completed my recently run research about how [[Mix]] in [[Kirby & The Amazing Mirror|K&TAM]] works. In the content, I'd cover how the Mix in this game works and add a table of '''Mix Results''' (Mix Result = Copy Ability received in the end without interrupting the Mix roulette) for all <span class="plainlinks">[https://wikirby.com/wiki/Kirby_%26_The_Amazing_Mirror#Copy_Abilities  26 Copy Abilities in this game]</span>. For the quick explanation why this probably is possible only in this game, I'll only elaborate for now with a quick few paragraphs.

Alright, so, this game has 26 Copy Abilities, including [[Master]]. Mix can be activated with '''any''' and '''all''' of these Copy Abilities, and Mix purely depends on:
*2 or more enemies each featuring a Copy Ability
*Copy Ability of the enemy first to enter Kirby's mouth.
'''Therefore, for example;''' if you suck up a [[Sparky]] (which features [[Spark|Spark copy ability]]) together with any number of any other enemies featuring a copy ability, the Mix Result will always be [[Missile]] - but only if Sparky was the first to enter Kirby's mouth. As aforementioned, only the Copy Ability of an enemy is important, so if you eventually find another enemy featuring Spark, it will result the same way. 

You may be wondering, "how did you manage to activate a Mix with every copy ability in this game (including even Master, Throw, Hammer, Smash and Magic)" - well exactly what you just thought - all the last four copy abilities are exclusive to mid-bosses, which cannot be sucked up with another enemy! This is true, as Mix can only be activated by sucking up two common and small enemies, not mid-bosses. And moreover, [[Galaxia]] (which features the [[Master|Master copy ability]]) can be only possessed by touching it while it's standing on its pedestal in the [[Rainbow Route - Central Circle|main hub room]] or by inhaling and swallowing it back when bouncing around as a [[Ability Star]] - while it's standing on its pedestal, it cannot be inhaled and the second way it works just as the Ability Stars - if inhaled alone or with an enemy, it still gives you the Master copy ability back.

Well, remember [[Droppy]], the enemy that can absorb your copy ability? Guess what, Droppy with an absorbed copy ability when attempted to be a part of a Mix actually works! <abbr title="Droppy in a form of Sparky">Sparky-Droppy</abbr> acts same as the real Sparky. Doing the same thing as in the example I have written up there two paragraphs above would result the same. Droppy can also feature any of the <abbr title="Master, Throw, Hammer, Smash, Magic">five previously mentioned abilities</abbr> that normally cannot be a part of a Mix, if absorbed, so that's the one and the only way to do a Mix with these abilities.

To short the story and to not add everything about it in this talk page, here's the thing - Droppy makes its only appearance in this game exclusively, so if there is nothing of similar nature in other Kirby games, only K&TAM can be covered in this aspect. Therefore, what is your ultimate opinion about it? Explanations of mechanics of a certain feature are almost always welcome, and I think the difficulty or even a impossibility of completing them is not a reason to cease one's completeness. '''Ultimately, partly-complete tables with results may not be a preferable thing to add to an article, so only K&TAM's explanations of its Mix mechanics would stay there as a completely-covered content, while some other games would be having a gap abaft K&TAM for the same. That is unless they don't have same Mix mechanics as the K&TAM''' and such extensive and difficult research on them doesn't have to be done.

=== Request to star covering the Mix page ===

Mix is present for two and a half decades by now, and is one of the most notable features since. It's simply one of the things to focus on. I'd like to kindly request a co-operation of all those who can, to start <abbr title="editing to make it of a more completion">unstubbing</abbr> this page as soon as possible.

Please respond to this below my signature -- [[User:Viperision|Viperision]] ([[User talk:Viperision|talk]]) 22:58, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
:Go for it. --[[User:Fubaka|Fubaka]] ([[User talk:Fubaka|talk]]) 23:46, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

== Mix Fail ==

Can I tell you about a fail I had with Mix here or should I use the discord server?[[User:Svtopdog|Svtopdog]] ([[User talk:Svtopdog|talk]]) 21:08, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
:Use the Discord. The wiki is not a place for casual discussion. --[[User:Fubaka|Fubaka]] ([[User talk:Fubaka|talk]]) 21:10, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

== Mix Table ==

I'll add stuff for Amazing Mirror soon.  Just wanted to say that I tested in NA's 3D Classics version, but it's the same as the NES version.  I didn't test the abilities with an asterisk, but all the other abilities are seven accessible icons after the one inhaled.  Someone checking those would be nice, though.

[[User:Blanket PI|Blanket PI]] ([[User talk:Blanket PI|talk]]) 18:02, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
:I know that the Mix table for the North American Kirby's Adventure is the same as the one I gave because of [https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/nes/563432-kirbys-adventure/faqs/10645 this] guide. (GameFAQs link.) Also, the seven accessible icons thing I mentioned is much clearer in the remakes, but let's take Cutter.  We see that that's the first one in the list. We then look seven abilities later in the order (so Sword, Burning, Laser, Mike, Wheel, Hammer, Parasol) and get Parasol. The guide I gave works for that. Actually I think I didn't test enough in the 3D Classics version to be sure it works there as well, but I doubt it doesn't, especially since what I have does work for it. I used the original ability names, but I guess I should add Burning for Fireball, since it's more different than U.F.O. is from UFO, and two are used across the three versions. As for Amazing Mirror, I again tested on my 3DS (Ambassador). While it's possible that they changed it, it's highly unlikely, especially as they don't seem to have some logical order which would make it reasonable to change. I guess if they rely on data that's used for something else (or just garbage), it's not implausible. Now for Super Star Ultra! (And that will never truly be complete, since not every combo is possible to check.)

:For those who wish to check if the Japanese and PAL versions are the same, I tested a bunch of abilities in [[Olive Ocean - Room 9]]. Easy to access and set up. (Air bullet on the waddle doo where you get out of the water, let droppy steal on the left of the bomb block, kill the waddle doo on the platform above the droppy, then wait right under that platform.) However cupie, laser ball, U.F.O., and minny don't permit this. I was able to get both cupie and laser ball together (but it was a huge pain) in [[Mustard Mountain - Room 19]], but I wasn't confident which one was which, so I checked laser ball at the very bottom of [[Peppermint Palace - Room 15]]. U.F.O. was easiest in the beginning of [[Candy Constellation - Room 18]], though retrying requiring death (U.F.O.s don't respawn once killed) led to a couple of game overs. At least minny was easy in [[Moonlight Mansion - Goal 2]]. I had already tested a bunch of others, so I don't know if bomb is better in [[Moonlight Mansion - Room 16]], fighter in [[Moonlight Mansion - Room 8]], or tornado in [[Rainbow Route - Room 34]].
:[[User:Blanket PI|Blanket PI]] ([[User talk:Blanket PI|talk]]) 18:49, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

::Here's what I got for a mix table in KSSU (NA), deliberately getting rid of duplicates (with 80 out of the theoretical 300 possible combos).  Add to the table if you find any yourself, but I don't think there are that many left without hacking/glitches. Maybe Mike + Mike in Dynablade?  Keep in mind that I used "Super" instead of "Invincibility Candy" because that'd stretch the table.  Also keep in mind that ability stars and ability hats override the combo.
::[[User:Blanket PI|Blanket PI]] ([[User talk:Blanket PI|talk]]) 14:08, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I added Crash + Crash = Copy for KSSU. I'm wondering if KSS allows one to use ability hats/stars to mix anything in triplets, since those don't override in that game. (For example, inhale two of Chameleo Arm's blobs and a Crash star to get Paint + Crash.) [[User:Blanket PI|Blanket PI]] ([[User talk:Blanket PI|talk]]) 19:53, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

And Copy + Crash.  Don't know how I missed that one (except getting frustrated, perhaps).  One more note though:  I recall someone mentioning that Paint + anything gives Stone.  I wish I knew where, though. [[User:Blanket PI|Blanket PI]] ([[User talk:Blanket PI|talk]]) 23:54, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

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