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| Greetings. As of Whispy Woods EX's Special Page text in the demo for ''[[Kirby's Return to Dream Land Deluxe]]'', "poison apple" is now an official term. However, since this page covers poisoned fruit in a broader context, I'm not really sure how to apply it to make this page's name no longer "conjectural". Any ideas? --[[User:Samwell|Samwell]] ([[User talk:Samwell|talk]]) 16:55, 17 March 2023 (UTC) | | Greetings. As of Whispy Woods EX's Special Page text in the demo for ''[[Kirby's Return to Dream Land Deluxe]]'', "poison apple" is now an official term. However, since this page covers poisoned fruit in a broader context, I'm not really sure how to apply it to make this page's name no longer "conjectural". Any ideas? --[[User:Samwell|Samwell]] ([[User talk:Samwell|talk]]) 16:55, 17 March 2023 (UTC) |
| :Maybe have a separate page on poison apples, perhaps? --[[User:DarkMatterMan4500|DarkMatterMan4500]] ([[User talk:DarkMatterMan4500|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/DarkMatterMan4500|contribs]]) 16:57, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
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| ::I don't feel like that would be appropriate. It would end up being two pages talking about the same thing, with one having marginally more information on it than the other. --[[User:Samwell|Samwell]] ([[User talk:Samwell|talk]]) 16:59, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
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| :::I would say keep "poison fruit" as the name of this page and note that "poison apple" is the official name of Whispy's poison apples specifically. [[User:StarPunch|StarPunch]] ([[User talk:StarPunch|talk]]) 17:06, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
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| ::::I wonder if this could be a bigger discussion to have for pages which have like a "name derived from another official name". In this case, we could get "poison apple" and derive a more general "poison fruit" to talk about the fruits in general and not just apples. Another application I thought was for certain music titles, like [[Neo Star: Stage Select]], which is currently listed as conjectural but it's more specifically derived from [[Ripple Star: Stage Select]]. But like I mentioned, this would be a bigger discussion to have, so food for thought. Otherwise, I really don't see what else to do; this feels like a [[Gourmet Race: Intro]] situation, where the article subject itself has no official name, but more specific parts of the article do, so I would keep this page title as conjectural but note somewhere that "poison apple" is an official name for the apples. {{User:Gigi/sig}} 17:08, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
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| :::::The thing that StarPunch mentioned with the title staying the same with a note that Whispy Wood's poison apples are officially named seems like it could work. I could also see it working where we move this to Poison apple, but have a section on other poisonous fruits (although handling Wiz's apples in that case would be tricky since they're not from Whispy and give sleep instead of damage). That being said, I think the thing that Gigi mentioned about having titles derived from other official titles (which we kinda already do with {{t|DerivedTitle}} for foreign names, although that is still slightly different) would work best in the long run. {{User:Pinkyoshifan/sig}} 16:25, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
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| ::::::Bump {{User:Pinkyoshifan/sig}} 22:56, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
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| :I basically agree with the StarPunch solution here. The only issue that remains would be whether we want a separate template for conjectural names derived from official names but I believe this is far beyond the scope of this page. (For instance, it would apply to a number of [[Magolor Soul#The True Arena|RtDLDTrueArena!Magolor Soul]]'s attacks at time of writing, like Screen Flip (taken from the official name for [[Sphere_Doomer#EX_Form|a Sphere Doomer EX attack]] that is functionally the same), or Sand Storm (deriving from a [[Sand]] move name). Personally I also think it becomes difficult to draw a bar for how much distance between the official and conjectural names is acceptable for applying that hypothetical template versus plain {{t|Title}}, but again this is well outside the scope of just this page so I'll cut myself off there.) {{User:WillIdleAway/sig}} 11:58, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
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| ::In the interest of resolving this page, I would go for renaming this page to Poison apple, since that's what it is most of the time, while acknowledging other poisoned fruits (Gigi's solution). A wider discussion on this topic can be had another time, when people are ready to have it, I think. --[[User:Samwell|Samwell]] ([[User talk:Samwell|talk]]) 18:19, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
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| Again, similar to [[Talk:Helper]]. Two very similar topics having their own pages would feel redundant. {{User:Starvoid/sig}} 18:29, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
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| :While I originally suggested to keep this page as "Poison fruit" with a conjectural name and then mention that "Poison apple" is official, I see now that it's all poison apples except for ''Star Allies'' that has them in other forms. So I would move this page to "Poison apple" but then note that in ''Star Allies'' they aren't apples but basically the same thing. {{User:Gigi/sig}} 18:49, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
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