Talk:Copy Ability

Final Abilities

Star Rod, Master, Triple Star, the Wing/Crystal combo, Rainbow Sword, Star Chariot, and whatever the Heart Rod thing from KDL3 is called should be organized in a separate chart, because they are special abilities that Kirby obtains for the final boss battle in each game. If we want to remain credible, we cannot let them in the "Regular Abilities" section, because they are everything, but regular. - Edofenrir^{( talk)} 01:09, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the Wing/Crystal (and te ones I never used), but I disagree with the Star Rod, Master, Triple Star, and Heart Rod. Fore those may be used outside of their primery levels and they are normal abilities that can be used on multiple puzzles. -- կրակ ^(խոսել) -- 01:45, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

No, they are extraordinary powerful abilities that are granted to the player for the final battle of the respective game. The fact that you can use them in gameplay afterwards is merely a gimmick. Also, I don't recall either the Star Rod or the Heart Rod ever be usable outside of the final battle.- Edofenrir^{( talk)} 01:50, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Edofenrir beat me too it. :P What he said is exactly right, but Star Chariot is not considered a final ability though. Gamefreak75 (Talk)

Yeah, Star Chariot is the only one that falls out of the norm here, I guess. It's some kind of in-between ability. It isn't really a final battle ability, but it's too special to be a regular one. - Edofenrir^{( talk)} 02:12, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

A Star Chariot appears in SS, KatAM, and SSU, it isn't an ability in my opinoin. (In KatAM, it is a star he rides.) But regardless of their strength, they are still reguler copy abilities and shouldn't be moved. If you want to make a different chart for the carige, go ahead. But leave the rest here. You can put a category on all of those abilities' pages, but do not make something into something it isn't. P.S.: Enemies hit by it still take as much damage as any hit would take. Fire Sword has the exact same effect as the master, yet it is a reguler skill. -- կրակ ^(խոսել) -- 02:50, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

You cannot get these abilities through normal gameplay. They only become available the instant you reach the final boss. There is no regular enemy that yields these abilities when inhaled, and except two of them, you cannot take them out of the final battle. These are only a few of the things that set them apart from regular abilities. I don't know what your sources are, but calling these abilities regular will make this wiki a laughing stock, since they are known as special abilities both among fans, and in the game. - Edofenrir^{( talk)} 03:09, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

You can not get a lot of abilities from enemies. We never said they were reguler. Moving it would make us a bigger laughing stock. Your honestly looking for an excuse to make an unnesisary edit. There is no point in changing it even though some people consider it greater than others. -- կրակ ^(խոսել) -- 03:15, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

You can get all regular abilities from enemies and mid bosses. Please check your sources. - Edofenrir^{( talk)} 03:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I niether confirmed nor denied that. What I said is that some abilities don't come from any monsters too. For example, Electric Bomb from KSS doesn't come from any enemy. -- կրակ ^(խոսել) -- 03:25, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Based on the discussion here, I'd suggest we go with the consensus from Gamefreak and Edo that the abilities be moved. If others disagree in future, this can always be re-evaluated. Adam 12:15, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I think for the most part, the copy abilities are unclassified or barely classified by any site. It's a pretty huge task, and one I'm proud we are undertaking. The finer our filters for the classifications, and most canonical and sourced the name is, the better the end result will be. So the name for the Power Combos is a great find. I'm not sure if "Special Ability" or "Final Ability" etc is a canon title, if not we can use the conjectural title for the name. But I agree that they would be best separated from the run-of-the-mill abilities. This way they can stand out for their unique attributes. I think we can create a new table/page as a Master Copy Ability Appendix or something. I like that for the ability page he created a table that sorts and indicates which games the ability was in. Well the other table and sub page I'm thinking of would replace the game appearance cells with say: Type (Elemental-Fire); Number of uses (ex:Smash can do several attacks), Helper Creation (yes/no), Granted from (Enemy/Boss/Pedestal/Copy Essence Deluze), etc. I'm sure we'll be able to think up many more things.

Lastly, sorry I'm short on time this week, I'm working a lot more than I thought. It's out of town but instead of getting a hotel, we get a paid commute.

Axiomist (talk) 15:55, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

At keast in Crystal Shards, all abilities come from enemies, except the final ability, which can't be found in the normal gameplay. I agree with Edo. User:Tucayo/sig

Triple Star Bubble

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Okay, so in KSS, when you have the bubble ability on, you can get the Ability Pedastal in a bubble when used on an enemy. If you use it on an ability neutral enemy, you get a star in a bubble. You can fuse to stars to make it glow. You can fuse a glowing star and a normal star or another glowing star to make a larger glowing star. (Seen in the image to the right.) Since you fuse three stars to make a Large Star, do you think this is a reference to the Triple Star/Block Copy Ability that appears in the same game? Post Script: No form of stars do anything. When givin to kirby, it goes to his mouth. When swallowed, it goes back into your lower screen and explodes. -- կրակ ^(խոսել) -- 05:07, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so, as the Triple Star ability is three separate stars shot at different times, while this is one combined star. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 13:53, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Animal Friend Abilities

Just noticed that all of those simply link to respective friend's article, not an article on the ability combination. Should it stay that way, with the combined abilities eventually being covered in the friends' article, or should they get their own articles?--Vellidragon 12:42, 24 September 2010 (CDT)