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Welcome to the Proposals page. Here, WiKirby's editors may propose changes to the way the wiki operates, including how to handle certain categories of content, quality standards, or even just making aesthetic suggestions. Any user who has Autopatrol status or above may make a proposal or vote on one, and after two weeks of voting, if it passes, it will be incorporated into policy. Please see below for the specifics on how to make and/or vote on a proposal.

How to make a proposal

Please use one of the following templates to make a new proposal:

Single vote: This is for proposals which only propose a single change to the wiki. 

==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)==
(insert details of proposal here and sign with ~~~~)
{{Support}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}

===Discussion===

{{clear}}

Multi-option vote: This is for proposals which include many possible changes to a particular element of policy. One option should always be to keep things as they were. It is recommended that no more than 8 options are given in a single proposal, including the "no change" option. 

==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)==
(insert details of proposal here and sign with ~~~~)
{{Option|1|(option title 1)}}
{{Option|2|(option title 2)}}
{{Option|3|(option title 3)}}
{{Option|etc.|(option title etc.)}}
{{Neutral}}

===Discussion===

{{clear}}

Multi-facet vote: This is for proposals which want to make several smaller changes to a single element of policy (for instance, making several changes to how the main page looks). Each change needs to be voted up or down individually. There should not be more than 5 parts to a proposal like this. This type of proposal should not be made without approval from wiki administration. 

==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)==
(insert summary of proposal here and sign with ~~~~)
===Change 1===
(insert details here)
{{Support}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}
====Change 1 discussion====

===Change 2===
(insert details here)
{{Support}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}
====Change 2 discussion====

===Change 3===
(insert details here)
{{Support}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}
====Change 3 discussion====

etc.

{{clear}}

Once a proposal is made, the voting period begins (see voting regulations below). Voting period for a proposal ends two weeks after it starts, at 23:59:59 UTC on the 14th full day of voting. An administrator can veto a proposal at any time, although such action should always be justifiable and agreed upon by multiple admins. Administrators should not use this right to add more weight to their own opinions.

Restrictions

Users may propose many different changes or additions to the wiki. The following things, however, may not be voted on:

  1. Proposals which target specific users (such as bestowing or removing ranks or rights).
  2. Proposals which violate the law, as specified in the general content policy.
  3. Proposals which seek to overturn a recently (within the last 8 weeks (or 56 days)) approved proposal.
  4. Re-submitted proposals which were recently (within the last 8 weeks (or 56 days)) rejected, and which have not been significantly altered.
Voting regulations
  1. Proposal adding and voting is open only to registered users who have attained Autopatrol status and above. Users who do not have Autopatrol+ may still participate in discussions.
  2. Users who are currently blocked will not be allowed to vote, and any outstanding votes they have on proposals will be removed. Any proposal made by a user who is blocked during the consideration period will also be removed.
  3. All votes must be signed with signatures (type four tildes (~~~~.)) Unsigned votes are automatically negated, regardless of any points made.
  4. After two (2) weeks of voting, a proposal will be immediately enacted if the number of supportive votes is greater than the number of opposing votes, or, in the case of multi-option votes, any option receives a plurality consisting of three or more votes. In the event of a tie, the proposal may be re-voted upon with a one week duration, or annulled by the administrators.
  5. In the event a proposal has seven (7) unanimous support votes OR ten (10) support votes and no more than two neutral votes, as well as the support of a bureaucrat, a proposal may pass in only one (1) week instead of two.
  6. If a supported proposal is vetoed by the administrators, it is considered failed and should not be started again for at least 8 weeks (56 days).
  7. If a proposal fails to garner three (3) supporting votes (or 3 votes on any one option in multi-option proposals), it will not be considered.
  8. The original proposal maker may not vote on their own proposal if it only contains two options (i.e., "yes" or "no" proposals). However, proposers may vote on their own proposals if they have three or more options.
  9. All votes must be supported by a substantial reason from the voter. Simple and/or unproductive comments like "I agree" or "No that's stupid" will result in the vote being removed.
  10. The original proposer may cancel the proposal for any reason during the first three (3) days of its run, and it will not be considered failed. Admins may veto subsequent proposals if this is abused.
  11. Voting users may change their vote at any time before a proposal's deadline passes, but should update their timestamp if doing so.
  12. Discussion must remain civil at all times! Any uncivil discussion will result in the offending users' votes being negated, and possibly lead to strikes or a block.
  13. Excessive campaigning for any proposals will result in the campaigner's vote(s) being negated, or proposal being removed if applicable.
  14. Proposals about minor article manipulation (such as splits, merges, renames, or deletions) should not be created, unless the scope of the discussion is particularly large; otherwise, these should be handled on a case-by-case basis, through discussions or polls on the talk page of the article in question.
  15. It is recommended that a single user make only one (1) proposal at a time. Though simultaneous proposals from the same user are allowed, they are discouraged; this should ideally only be done if multiple issues are in question, and not many proposals are already active.
  16. For multi-option votes, voters are encouraged (but not required) to indicate a first, second, third, etc. vote. The exception to this is neutral votes, which must be the only vote if chosen.

Current Proposals

Clarifying the role of neutral votes in proposal voting (2023-05-09 - 2023-05-23)

During a recent proposal about pronouns, some confusion arose about the meaning of neutral votes for proposals. Currently, rule 4 states that "After two (2) weeks of voting, a proposal will be immediately enacted if a simple majority of more than 50% of votes are supportive, [...]". The regulation does not mention neutral votes, but according to its wording, this would for instance mean that a proposal with 5 supporting, 6 neutral and no opposing votes would not pass, as less than 50% of votes are supporting. This means that in most situations, neutral votes have the exact same effect as opposing votes (except for the purpose of passing a proposal early as outlined in regulation 5, where a neutral vote alone does not prevent this.) So far, this situation has not occurred, but I think this ambiguity should be resolved before that happens.

I believe a lot of people would intuitively assume that a neutral vote is equivalent to abstaining and should not prevent a proposal from passing. Therefore, I propose to change regulation 4 as follows: "After two (2) weeks of voting, a proposal will be immediately enacted if the number of supportive votes is greater than the number of opposing votes, or, in the case of multi-option votes, any option receives a plurality consisting of three or more votes. In the event of a tie, the proposal may be re-voted upon with a one week duration, or annulled by the administrators."

If this proposal passes, there can be no doubt that neutral votes are not considered for the majority required by supporting votes, and if it fails, this equally clarifies that neutral votes are counted against the majority needed by supporting votes. Thus, this proposal will remove the current ambiguity regardless of its outcome. Typman (talk) 13:53, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Support
  1. Neutral votes are more like a "fine by me, don't really mind", if someone is opposed to an idea the section is there, so I don't see why a vote saying "do as you wish" would override a "yes". ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 15:00, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
  2. As much as I want to vote neutral on this, if people want a proposal to not pass, the oppose option exists. If they don't care about it either way, then they'll probably think neutral is the way to do that. Abstains shouldn't count as votes. ---PinkYoshiFan 15:06, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
  3. Though admittedly I don't really get the point of neutral votes in the first place, this would at least make them actually neutral instead of basically just opposition. Hewer (talk · contributions) 18:19, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
  4. When deciding if you like a change, I see a Support as an "I want that", an Oppose as an "I don't want that" and a Neutral as an "I don't care", with the reason of you stating that you don't care being letting everyone else know that you are aware of this change proposal, but can't decide on an option, or both are fine with you because you don't mind. So in that case Neutral voting should not bring the proposal down, nor help it to pass. If we have one with 5 Supports, 0 Opposes and 7 Neutrals, really no one is against the change, as the ones that voted Neutral are supposedly doing so because they are fine with the change happening. -Zolerian (talk | contribs) 03:11, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
  5. The way I've used neutral votes is for if I don't mind either outcome of the proposal, so I definitely agree that they shouldn't hinder a proposal from passing and actually be considered a neutral vote. GoldenDragonLeaf (talk · edits) 03:15, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
  6. I am in favor of this clarification. Neutral votes should not be used to "politely oppose" something. Neutral should only be for people with no strong preference either way. --Samwell (talk) 04:19, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
Oppose
Neutral

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