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Welcome to the Proposals page. Here, WiKirby's editors may propose changes to the way the wiki operates, including how to handle certain categories of content, quality standards, or even just making aesthetic suggestions. Any user who has Autopatrol status or above may make a proposal or vote on one, and after two weeks of voting, if it passes, it will be incorporated into policy. Please see below for the specifics on how to make and/or vote on a proposal.

How to make a proposal

Please use one of the following templates to make a new proposal:

Single vote: This is for proposals which only propose a single change to the wiki. 

==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)==
(insert details of proposal here and sign with ~~~~)
{{Support}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}

===Discussion===

{{clear}}

Multi-option vote: This is for proposals which include many possible changes to a particular element of policy. One option should always be to keep things as they were. It is recommended that no more than 8 options are given in a single proposal, including the "no change" option. 

==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)==
(insert details of proposal here and sign with ~~~~)
{{Option|1|(option title 1)}}
{{Option|2|(option title 2)}}
{{Option|3|(option title 3)}}
{{Option|etc.|(option title etc.)}}
{{Neutral}}

===Discussion===

{{clear}}

Multi-facet vote: This is for proposals which want to make several smaller changes to a single element of policy (for instance, making several changes to how the main page looks). Each change needs to be voted up or down individually. There should not be more than 5 parts to a proposal like this. This type of proposal should not be made without approval from wiki administration. 

==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)==
(insert summary of proposal here and sign with ~~~~)
===Change 1===
(insert details here)
{{Support}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}
====Change 1 discussion====

===Change 2===
(insert details here)
{{Support}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}
====Change 2 discussion====

===Change 3===
(insert details here)
{{Support}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}
====Change 3 discussion====

etc.

{{clear}}

Once a proposal is made, the voting period begins (see voting regulations below). Voting period for a proposal ends two weeks after it starts, at 23:59:59 UTC on the 14th full day of voting. An administrator can veto a proposal at any time, although such action should always be justifiable and agreed upon by multiple admins. Administrators should not use this right to add more weight to their own opinions.

Restrictions

Users may propose many different changes or additions to the wiki. The following things, however, may not be voted on:

  1. Proposals which target specific users (such as bestowing or removing ranks or rights).
  2. Proposals which violate the law, as specified in the general content policy.
  3. Proposals which seek to overturn a recently (within the last 8 weeks (or 56 days)) approved proposal.
  4. Re-submitted proposals which were recently (within the last 8 weeks (or 56 days)) rejected, and which have not been significantly altered.
Voting regulations
  1. Proposal adding and voting is open only to registered users who have attained Autopatrol status and above. Users who do not have Autopatrol+ may still participate in discussions.
  2. Users who are currently blocked will not be allowed to vote, and any outstanding votes they have on proposals will be removed. Any proposal made by a user who is blocked during the consideration period will also be removed.
  3. All votes must be signed with signatures (type four tildes (~~~~.)) Unsigned votes are automatically negated, regardless of any points made.
  4. After two (2) weeks of voting, a proposal will be immediately enacted if the number of supportive votes is greater than the number of opposing votes, or, in the case of multi-option votes, any option receives a plurality consisting of three or more votes. In the event of a tie, the proposal may be re-voted upon with a one week duration, or annulled by the administrators.
  5. In the event a proposal has seven (7) unanimous support votes OR ten (10) support votes and no more than two neutral votes, as well as the support of a bureaucrat, a proposal may pass in only one (1) week instead of two.
  6. If a supported proposal is vetoed by the administrators, it is considered failed and should not be started again for at least 8 weeks (56 days).
  7. If a proposal fails to garner three (3) supporting votes (or 3 votes on any one option in multi-option proposals), it will not be considered.
  8. The original proposal maker may not vote on their own proposal if it only contains two options (i.e., "yes" or "no" proposals). However, proposers may vote on their own proposals if they have three or more options.
  9. All votes must be supported by a substantial reason from the voter. Simple and/or unproductive comments like "I agree" or "No that's stupid" will result in the vote being removed.
  10. The original proposer may cancel the proposal for any reason during the first three (3) days of its run, and it will not be considered failed. Admins may veto subsequent proposals if this is abused.
  11. Voting users may change their vote at any time before a proposal's deadline passes, but should update their timestamp if doing so.
  12. Discussion must remain civil at all times! Any uncivil discussion will result in the offending users' votes being negated, and possibly lead to strikes or a block.
  13. Excessive campaigning for any proposals will result in the campaigner's vote(s) being negated, or proposal being removed if applicable.
  14. Proposals about minor article manipulation (such as splits, merges, renames, or deletions) should not be created, unless the scope of the discussion is particularly large; otherwise, these should be handled on a case-by-case basis, through discussions or polls on the talk page of the article in question.
  15. It is recommended that a single user make only one (1) proposal at a time. Though simultaneous proposals from the same user are allowed, they are discouraged; this should ideally only be done if multiple issues are in question, and not many proposals are already active.
  16. For multi-option votes, voters are encouraged (but not required) to indicate a first, second, third, etc. vote. The exception to this is neutral votes, which must be the only vote if chosen.

Current Proposals

Abolish Proposal Rule 8 (16 November 2023 – 30 November 2023)

I know, I know. "Isn't that just one free support vote for every single proposal?" Hear me out.

First off, many proposals aren't as simple as yes or no. Sometimes there are multiple options, and the original proposer may not like one but include it anyway as a courtesy. Alternatively, a person may wish to make a proposal to settle a controversy, and he or she may still prefer to do nothing. In any case, I think there are sufficient reasons not to rule the proposer unable to vote at all, especially since, in many cases, the proposer is the one with the strongest opinions on the topic.

Of course, I'll leave that decision up to you all. --YFJ (talk · edits) 07:04, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Support
Even outside of the multiple options scenario, I think the vote of whoever propeses should also count for something outside of presenting the idea, so support. ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 07:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
Oppose
Neutral

Discussion

Change voting rules for multi-option votes (16 November 2023 – 30 November 2023)

Our proposal header warns of the infamous spoiler effect. I think we can do better than that.

For the uninformed: the spoiler effect occurs when, in a three-option proposal, Option A and Option B both score 30 % of the vote while Option C scores 40 %. Option C wins a plurality, but if Options A and B are similar, this means that the majority opposed Option C and it still won out. It's a strong weakness of plurality voting and encourages strategic voting (voting for a less-preferred option in order to prevent the least-preferred option from winning). What can we do about it? Here are our options:

Instant runoff voting: The best solution, in my opinion. Sometimes called "ranked choice voting", it essentially allows you to give differently-weighted votes to different options. I'll give you an example right now: this is my first choice, "multi-option voting" is my second choice and "plurality voting" is my third. If "instant runoff voting" has the least first-choice votes, my vote doesn't lose significance; it instead moves to "multi-option voting", my second choice. This single-elimination process continues until one option remains. Note: Neutral voters would not be allowed to vote on any other option, unless they remove their "neutral" votes.

Multi-option voting: Didn't understand the last option? This might be simpler. You can cast a vote on all options minus one, if you so choose. These votes would all be equally weighted. This is the system preferred on some other NIWA wikis, such as the Super Mario Wiki, to give you an idea. Note: Just as in the above option, neutral voters may not vote for any other option.

Plurality voting: Self-explanatory: do nothing and leave the voting system as-is.

So what'll it be? My preferred option is instant runoff voting, but that's for you all to decide. --YFJ (talk · edits) 07:04, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Option 1: Instant runoff (ranked choice) voting
It took a bit to grasp, but it seems right to count a vote towards something else if another one fails. Would note that one should be able to choose to vote for one option and one option only if they so choose. This option seems to prevent proposals from getting stale due to having more popular options unresolved. Not entirely sure how it'd work in practice but in theory I like this. ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 07:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
Option 2: Multi-option voting
Option 3: Plurality voting (leave as-is)
Neutral

Discussion

@ShadowKirby: I should clarify that this would not preclude the option to cast only one vote. The effect of this is that, if a user votes for only one option and that option loses, the vote has no bearing on the standing of the other options, which is the same as in the status quo. It's effectively equivalent to a last-choice vote. (Should also note: one would not be able to make two first choices, or the like; ranking should occur linearly or else options not preferred should be excluded.) --YFJ (talk · edits) 07:40, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

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