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Welcome to the Proposals page. Here, WiKirby's editors may propose changes to the way the wiki operates, including how to handle certain categories of content, quality standards, or even just making aesthetic suggestions. Any user who has Autopatrol status or above may make a proposal or vote on one, and after two weeks of voting, if it passes, it will be incorporated into policy. Please see below for the specifics on how to make and/or vote on a proposal.

How to make a proposal

Please use one of the following templates to make a new proposal:

Single vote: This is for proposals which only propose a single change to the wiki.

==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)==
(insert details of proposal here and sign with ~~~~)
{{Support}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}

===Discussion===

{{clear}}

Multi-option vote: This is for proposals which include many possible changes to a particular element of policy. One option should always be to keep things as they were. It is recommended that no more than 8 options are given in a single proposal, including the "no change" option.

==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)==
(insert details of proposal here and sign with ~~~~)
{{Option|1|(option title 1)}}
{{Option|2|(option title 2)}}
{{Option|3|(option title 3)}}
{{Option|etc.|(option title etc.)}}
{{Neutral}}

===Discussion===

{{clear}}

Multi-facet vote: This is for proposals which want to make several smaller changes to a single element of policy (for instance, making several changes to how the main page looks). Each change needs to be voted up or down individually. There should not be more than 5 parts to a proposal like this. This type of proposal should not be made without approval from wiki administration.

==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)==
(insert summary of proposal here and sign with ~~~~)
===Change 1===
(insert details here)
{{Support}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}
====Change 1 discussion====

===Change 2===
(insert details here)
{{Support}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}
====Change 2 discussion====

===Change 3===
(insert details here)
{{Support}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}
====Change 3 discussion====

etc.

{{clear}}

Once a proposal is made, the voting period begins (see voting regulations below). Voting period for a proposal ends two weeks after it starts, at 23:59:59 UTC on the 14th full day of voting. An administrator can veto a proposal at any time, although such action should always be justifiable and agreed upon by multiple admins. Administrators should not use this right to add more weight to their own opinions.

Restrictions

Users may propose many different changes or additions to the wiki. The following things, however, may not be voted on:

  1. Proposals which target specific users (such as bestowing or removing ranks or rights).
  2. Proposals which violate the law, as specified in the general content policy.
  3. Proposals which seek to overturn a recently (within the last 8 weeks (or 56 days)) approved proposal.
  4. Re-submitted proposals which were recently (within the last 8 weeks (or 56 days)) rejected, and which have not been significantly altered.

Current Proposals

Dream Friends pages' colored titles, revisited (March 4th, 2023 - March 18th, 2023)

Two years ago, a proposal was made to give featured Dream Friends articles a special treatment by making their page titles colored. The reasoning for that was, that important characters deserve having their pages be unique and that it would be a nice, little detail. However, there are few problems as of currently.

First, the proposal only affected Dream Friends, who at the time were basically synonymous with "major character". But then the next game came along with Elfilin. Under what was established in the proposal, his article can't get a special color, solely because he had the unluck to debut in a game after Kirby Star Allies. And the Kirby series will still continue, and more characters will appear... It was not future-proof.

Second, the inconsistency. I don't believe that featured articles should be divided into better and worse just because they happen to cover a certain topic, and colored titles make that division. In addition, a lot people are confused on why some pages get that treatment and some don't--that's certainly not helpful either.

So, my solutions are:

  • Option 1: Give every Featured page special color (that would be my preferred)
  • Option 2: Make every Featured page white (opposite of Option 1)
  • Option 3: Revert to how it was before the 2021 proposal (Kirby had pink title font, everything else white)
  • Option 4: Give special color to every major character, not just Dream Friends (if the first issue is a concern but not the second)
  • Option 5: Do nothing (it's fine as it is)

Superbound (talk) 12:07, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Option 1: Give every Featured page special color
  1. At this point it just makes sense to give colors to featured articles as we wish. We could perhaps try to find some sort of rules but ultimately I think we can do our own call. And we can keep some others as white anyway when there is no color to represent the article really. - Gigi (talkedits) 15:24, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
  2. Per the reasons given. My second choice would be Option 4, but I don't really think that exclusively characters should get this treatment. This would most likely leave out Ability pages, like Beam, and having that be orange-colored would be neat. Now, this do would leave out music and game pages, and while I kinda see why one would want that, having them colored would look good. There are games that kinda follow a color motif: Kirby's Return to Dream Land could have its title blue, while Kirby Battle Royale could have its in orange, for example. And as Gigi said, if giving some color to a page ends up being in some mess, we can just choose to keep that one white and that's it, we don't need to set in stone to have absolutely every featured page colored, but also it would be good to have the option to color some non-character page if it seems good. -Zolerian (talk | contribs) 08:26, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Option 2: Make every Featured page white
  1. Since applying the special font to all Dream Friends without them all being featured is apparently unfeasible, I'm going with this as I'd rather keep things consistent. Giving every featured page colours would inevitably make determining colour hard in some cases and would look arbitrary to anyone not familiar with it, and giving all major characters colours is similarly a bad idea because if we aren't using the objective definition of "Dream Friends + Elfilin" (which I agree isn't future-proof), then there'll be difficulty determining which characters do and don't count as major. I'm also not voting for the third option as if we aren't doing this for any other character then I don't see a reason for Kirby to get special treatment - an all or nothing approach would be better for the sake of consistency. Hewer (talk · contributions) 21:01, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
  2. After thinking it over, I think this will be my choice. I'm not the biggest fan of how the special colors turned out and I don't like the inconsistency. I think it would look cleaner to just keep the title font with no special color for featured pages. StarPunch (talk) 22:13, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Option 3: Revert to how it was before the 2021 proposal
  1. "I want to emphasize that this creates an even larger inconsistency amongst page design and it's one that I would drastically prefer to not exist"—Jegman 2021. It looked terrible from the moment it was implemented and should never have gone forward to begin with. Revert pre-2021. Trig Jegman - 15:15, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Option 4: Give special color to every major character, not just Dream Friends
  1. I like this option. The colors truly characterize them, I feel that they make the articles feel more alive. As said above, some characters are too recent to have enough significant appearances, but it would feel fair if all relevant enough protagonists (maybe antagonists) had their own color. Colorless is just a bit bland, and coloring all featured pages would require some thought and become almost entirely subjective in a matter of seconds... ShadowKirby (talk) 20:41, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
  2. I also like this option; it gives the relevant articles a little bit of flair (e.g., having Elfilin have blue text would signify that he is a major character in the series). We may need to define what a "significant character" is, however, so there is some consistency in when this is applied (both now and in the future). As noted above, colouring every featured page would likely be quite burdensome. Buildz17 (talk) 21:40, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
  3. It always confused me with the special titles for certain Dream Friends but not all of them, not to mention that characters from side games don't even get a chance at all. By having major characters with special colors, it helps to differentiate them from other character pages while also keeping in theme. Also, this option would help with consistency, without having to go through every single featured page. All in all, I just think it's an execellent idea without being too much work. GoldenDragonLeaf (talk · edits) 05:51, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
  4. It shouldn't be a big hassle to put together a definitive 'major character' list, games-wise (we still have anime characters), as they come. Giving color to all articles would be an overkill and create an inconsistent mess, while no color would deprive the wiki of its creative and fun character. Focusing just on Dream Friends is KSA-centric. ⁠–⁠Wiz (talk · edits) 11:21, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
  5. I'd really like if this happens, as this would further show the importance of certain characters, especially major antagonists and final bosses like Hyness and Void Termina, although I don't know if this would be applied to EX versions with their own pages too. - RHVGamer (talk · edits) 21:31, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Option 5: Do nothing

Discussion

Personally I like the idea of the title colours for the unique extra flair they provide, but the part that bothers me most is that only featured articles can get this treatment. Given that these colours are based entirely on the subjects of the articles, I don't think featured status should make a difference at all, and yet Marx, Gooey, Ribbon, and all three Mage-Sisters are excluded by this requirement. The title colour isn't even applied consistently among articles that are featured since it's missing from Rick, Kine, and Coo for some reason. So my ideal solution would be to just consistently apply these title colours to all Dream Friends (as well as Elfilin by the logic I explained here) regardless of featured status. Hewer (talk · contributions) 15:10, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

The reason why only featured articles get this treatment is simply because they are the only articles that use the special title font. - Gigi (talkedits) 15:25, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
I'm suggesting that the Dream Friend articles (and Elfilin) be an exception to that if we continue to use special colours, because I think it's too inconsistent and doesn't make much sense to restrict a distinction with no relation to article quality (or at least one that really should have no relation to article quality since it only concerns the article's subject) to featured articles. Hewer (talk · contributions) 18:16, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Then that would have to be a separate proposal because, as of right now, the title font is only applied to featured articles, and we cannot just use it for other articles to have colored titles. Plus, the argument that was made in the original proposal is that all Dream Friend pages should eventually be featured, which I don't disagree with. - Gigi (talkedits) 20:46, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

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