Talk:Helper

Crash

don't Crash, Mike, Paint, and Sleep have helpers? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 22:46, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

None of the limited use abilities (Crash, Mike, Paint and Cook) have helpers. Sleep doesn't have a helper either for the obvious reasons that you couldn't summon it while sleeping and your helper could do nothing but sleep xP --Vellidragon 23:12, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

That makes sense. Thanks for answering my question. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 23:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I was about to categorize this, then I realized I have no idea what to categorize it as, Enemies, Characters, create Category:Helpers...Axiomist (talk) 05:35, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Kirby Wii

Shouldn't something about helpers being set to appear Kirby Wii/Kirby's Epic Yarn (I don't know if they're different) be added? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 17:36, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

It might be premature, and chances are we'd forget later. So I'd wait until we actually play it. But if you add it, source what we know, and keep notes on your page or something, I won't object. Axiomist (talk) 04:47, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Phew!

Finally got done uploading and placing all the sprites from KSS and KSSU. It took me a couple hours, but it was worth it! Enjoy! Tailzfoxy96 07:07, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Wow, thank you :3 I had actually ripped some of the KSS ones myself, but never got around to uploading them, and these are much more complete either way. Nice job :3 --Vellidragon 13:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

I should mention that as far as I know, Multiple Upload doesn't work in MediaWiki 1.16. Which we will be upgrading to soon. Possibly Sunday. I recommend taking advantage of it before then as much as possible. Axiomist (talk) 06:37, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Terminology

So before there's any more moving around of pages related to the terms, are these actually officially called "Allies" and "Friends"? Friend should only go here and not be a disambiguation if that exact term is actually used to refer to Helpers specifically, otherwise it's ambiguous and would refer to other things just as much as Helpers.--Vellidragon (talk) 06:50, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

In Star Allies, they are called Friends. Allies is another term to refer to them in SA as well, but it isn't as used. As it stands, I do think Friend ought to only redirect here. --Fubaka (talk) 07:21, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Ahh, that makes sense - thank you! I haven't been keeping up with recent games. I recommend citing references for alternative names when possible and agree it should redirect here if it's a proper term for Helpers, with the disambiguation at the top since other things are called "friends" and "allies".
By the way, "(disambiguation)" pages are fine if there's a specific article that fits the term best and it links to the disambiguation. "Friend (disambiguation)" would have been okay here, that's why I restored it at first, but I realised it doesn't need a separate page because there's only two other uses of the term.--Vellidragon (talk) 16:55, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

I suppose such pages are standard practice on Wikipedia, though I've yet to see a single disambiguation page on this site which actually had (disambiguation) in the title. I personally saw such things as messy, but if there's a need in future, I won't get in the way. --Fubaka (talk) 17:05, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

"(disambiguation)" is added if the title without parentheses is already in use. This generally happens when there's one specific usage that's more accurate or more likely to be what someone was looking for than other meanings of the term, but there's still enough others to need a disambiguation page (e.g. "Mario" the Nintendo character vs. other people named Mario). The reason it's common on Wikipedia and not here is because our coverage is so narrow.--Vellidragon (talk) 19:40, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Splitting Pages

As of what I think, I think that the Helpers from KSS, and the Friends from KSA should be seperated into two different pages. (Helpers and Friends). I do know that they are VERY similar, but I think it can confuse some people, as in KSA they are called different names, and it works with 4P, but the Helpers only work with 2P. And since many of the friends in KSA are different from KSS, I think they should be split. As a person who is very knowledgable on Kirby, and has edited on many wikis, In my opinion, They should be split.IsaacBoi321 (talk) 02:11, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

I dunno, I feel like if they were split, it would cause the two pages to be a little too similar in terms of overlap. I don't think the difference in number of players should be reason enough for a split. They have a lot more in common than different. In particular, the fact that you can call them both by sacrificing a Copy Ability, and use the Normal Beam on both to dispel them. The way they both function in terms of CPU behavior is also extremely similar. I guess I just don't see the argument for them being totally separate pages. --Samwell (talk) 02:13, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I understand this, and I agree. But could we at least change the page name to Friends instead of Helpers, considering KSA sold more than KSS, and also because it is the most recent use and name for them. --IsaacBoi321 (talk) 02:18, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Sometimes it is pertinent to update the main title of a page to account for the newest terminology. However, despite selling more, Kirby Super Star is still a much more foundational part of the series than Kirby Star Allies, so it's still more likely that people coming here will know the term "helper" over "friend". If future games feature friends and call them such, we can revisit this idea. --Samwell (talk) 02:20, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Alright, that makes sense. I appreciate you arguing with me in such a nice and polite way, unlike the admins at BULBAPEDIA (yes, I do edit there) Kirby is one of my favourite series of all time, and using my knowledge I will edit this wiki the most I can! I am looking forward to eventually becoming an moderator, or even admin.

So, it's worth noting that, officially, the two are considered the same "mechanic"; see in the Kirby Portal website, so I'm against a split. However, we do use more recent names in the wiki, so I don't agree with the argument that "Helper" should be used because Super Star can be considered a more important game that Star Allies; if anything, both are important on their own ways to the series. If that argument stood, we would need to rename pages like Mekkai to their Super Star name "Mecheye", or apply a similar logic to pages like Jukebox. Point is, since HAL apparently considers both names to be valid and the same thing, we should use the most recent name, "Friend". The only argument in favor I can see is that "Helper" was used in two games of the series, although in a way that's cheating since one is a remake. Anyway, I think it makes more sense per our policy to use the most recent name here, the other will still be a redirect anyway. - Gigi (talk • edits) 02:45, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps I'm just being an old fogey (or a Sakuraite :P), but ultimately I would not have a problem with this page being named Friend. I will abide by the Editor-in-Chief's wishes. --Samwell (talk) 02:58, 14 February 2023 (UTC)