WiKirby:Proposals

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Welcome to the Proposals page. Here, WiKirby's editors may propose changes to the way the wiki operates, including how to handle certain categories of content, quality standards, or even just making aesthetic suggestions. Any user who has Autopatrol status or above may make a proposal or vote on one, and after two weeks of voting, if it passes, it will be incorporated into policy. Please see below for the specifics on how to make and/or vote on a proposal.
How to make a proposal
Please use one of the following templates to make a new proposal: Single vote: This is for proposals which only propose a single change to the wiki. ==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)== (insert details of proposal here and sign with ~~~~) {{Support}} {{Oppose}} {{Neutral}} ===Discussion=== {{clear}} Multi-option vote: This is for proposals which include many possible changes to a particular element of policy. One option should always be to keep things as they were. It is recommended that no more than 8 options are given in a single proposal, including the "no change" option. ==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)== (insert details of proposal here and sign with ~~~~) {{Option|1|(option title 1)}} {{Option|2|(option title 2)}} {{Option|3|(option title 3)}} {{Option|etc.|(option title etc.)}} {{Neutral}} ===Discussion=== {{clear}} Multi-facet vote: This is for proposals which want to make several smaller changes to a single element of policy (for instance, making several changes to how the main page looks). Each change needs to be voted up or down individually. There should not be more than 5 parts to a proposal like this. This type of proposal should not be made without approval from wiki administration. ==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)== (insert summary of proposal here and sign with ~~~~) ===Change 1=== (insert details here) {{Support}} {{Oppose}} {{Neutral}} ====Change 1 discussion==== ===Change 2=== (insert details here) {{Support}} {{Oppose}} {{Neutral}} ====Change 2 discussion==== ===Change 3=== (insert details here) {{Support}} {{Oppose}} {{Neutral}} ====Change 3 discussion==== etc. {{clear}} Once a proposal is made, the voting period begins (see voting regulations below). Voting period for a proposal ends two weeks after it starts, at 23:59:59 UTC on the 14th full day of voting. An administrator can veto a proposal at any time, although such action should always be justifiable and agreed upon by multiple admins. Administrators should not use this right to add more weight to their own opinions.
Restrictions
Users may propose many different changes or additions to the wiki. The following things, however, may not be voted on: Proposals which target specific users (such as bestowing or removing ranks or rights). Proposals which violate the law, as specified in the general content policy. Proposals which seek to overturn a recently (within the last 8 weeks (or 56 days)) approved proposal. Re-submitted proposals which were recently (within the last 8 weeks (or 56 days)) rejected, and which have not been significantly altered.

Current Proposals

Formally disbar the use of any wiki-based source for files that is not itself sourced (August 5th, 2022 - August 19th, 2022)

Greetings. So, I've been putting in some effort recently to try and find sources for the items in the Files lacking sources category, and I think we've collectively done a good job narrowing things down. I will remind everyone that it is the goal to have zero unsourced things on the wiki at the end of the year, so anything left over will be deleted or otherwise shelved as appropriate when that time comes. While doing my work earlier today, I decided to take a hop over to PidgiWiki, which has historically been used as a source for files on WiKirby. When I got there, however, I noticed that they'd recently updated their galleries to include several unsourced images from our own category, and did not specify that they'd gotten it from there, or anywhere. I further noticed that files on PidgiWiki are not sourced in general.

As such, to avoid the possibility of breaking the space-time continuum by using something retrieved from us as a source for that very same thing (a "circular source"), and as a broader rule due to the nature of wiki file uploading in general, I propose that we add a hard rule to the file sourcing policy that any wiki-based source for a file must be itself sourced, or it may not be used. This will also apply retroactively to anything we've sourced to PidgiWiki or another such wiki in the past, and solidify the rule against using images from the Kirby FANDOM (since they almost never source anything). That is the extent of this proposal. --Samwell (talk) 01:43, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Support

1. Support. Not much to say, but I have had my doubts about the legitimacy of unsourced files from other wikis, so this makes sense to me. StarPunch (talk) 01:53, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
2. support, makes sense to me Robothing (talk) 1:55, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
3. I don't know what to say, it just makes sense and I support it. --Basic Person (talk/contribs) 03:18, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
4. During my time on the Super Mario Wiki, I remember being part of a similar issue regarding wiki names ending up on the English version of the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia that was similarly dealt with proposal, but that's besides the point. Files without sources or pages without references might not initially sound like a big deal...but when you don't have an easy way of figuring out where exactly you got the info from and by extension, don't know whether such a statement is true or not, then that's crossing the hopefully figurative line. Per proposal. – Owencrazyboy17 (talk) 05:10, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Why would we draw our line at wikis? Kirby's Rainbow Resort (last updated before WiKirby was incepted) also doesn't source their files, no less no more legitimate to use as a source than Kirby Wiki in my opinion. Then review sites like NintendoLife, they also don't list their sources, they are not the origin of the files they reposted. I hope it's clear where this is going. These copyright/sourcing related policies (some of them adopted without a proposal - like deletion of files at the end of 2022) are severely detrimental to a wiki that just got off the ground with filling its galleries. If these new policies were to only affect files uploaded from now on then sure, but we're going to lose even more old files (and probably sooner than the end of the year) and otherwise spend a lot of free time trying to salvage whatever we can from these harmful new policies. I know this vote won't change anything, but I'm allowed to state my opinion. ⁠–⁠Wiz (talk · edits) 05:05, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Neutral

1. I'm hesitant to lean either way. Honestly, yes, I agree that PidgiWiki in specific should not be a listed source because they have a systemic issue of taking images from other places and not sourcing it. That said, I am not sure going after all wikis makes the most sense either. You need to remember, this site is one of the single most extreme cases of sourcing across not only wikis but NIWA too. Functionally? You will be ultimately cutting a very large portion of sources, many of which probably DO have known sources but just are not appropriately listed because they don't use a template similar to our aboutfile. If the rampant citation of sources was a bigger deal for something like MarioWiki, would they not have stressed their users to do the same we have? It also raises the concern of how far we would go for sources. If IGN hosts a screenshot of a game, would we feel its not content enough to go to the press site or another news source it was taken from? If an anonymous user uploads to The Cover Project, can we not feel satisfied to just list the website as opposed to the uploader as the origin of the image? Avoiding circular sourcing is inherently a good goal to strive for, but I honestly don't think that axing all wikis is an appropriate measure, simply because the site does not adhere to our own personal site standards. I would encourage a secondary proposal or alternative voting option for strictly blocking PidgiWiki as a source, as opposed to all wikis as a whole. Trig Jegman - 05:16, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Discussion

I just want to clear up what could potentially become a circular source: basically any site where anyone can upload any image? Because for example, we list many images' sources as Kirby's Rainbow Resort, which is a fansite that got these images from somewhere and uploaded them there, but it's not like a wiki where anyone can upload any image, so I imagine sites like that would still be fine to source. Is that correct? - Gigi (talk • edits) 01:59, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, this proposal does not target KRR, because there's no chance that anything there was retrieved from us, and it's not a place where anyone can upload images into the archive. It also generally does not target things like review sites or databases like MobyGames. For now at least, this only concerns other wikis. --Samwell (talk) 02:01, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

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