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#Full support. I remember a while ago that Kirby's Rainbow Resort was down for months and we had to go around updating links to their archive.org versions, when they existed, in many images. The site did go back up, but that won't always be the case. There is also time sensitive stuff like Kirby Café dishes that we need to archive occasionally or they will be lost in time. All in all, this ideal to preserve our sources. {{User:Gigi/sig}} 21:59, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
#Full support. I remember a while ago that Kirby's Rainbow Resort was down for months and we had to go around updating links to their archive.org versions, when they existed, in many images. The site did go back up, but that won't always be the case. There is also time sensitive stuff like Kirby Café dishes that we need to archive occasionally or they will be lost in time. All in all, this ideal to preserve our sources. {{User:Gigi/sig}} 21:59, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
#Heavily agree with this. Preservation is important, especially if we want to check something later. {{User:GoldenDragonLeaf/sig}} 20:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
#Heavily agree with this. Preservation is important, especially if we want to check something later. {{User:GoldenDragonLeaf/sig}} 20:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
#After this passes, we should consider recommending Wayback Machine extension/add-on in {{tl|Recommended Downloads}} and archive parameters to {{tl|cite}} and {{tl|Twitterlink}} templates. I also recommend improving the proposed wording - 1) it's unclear to me what "if yes" and "if no" are answers to. 2) there are too many "it's simple"s. 3) where can one request an archive to be done? what will take a few minutes? 4) steps should be made into a list. 5) integrate archive.today as proposed in the comments section when it comes to NoE. It wouldn't hurt to also explain why are we recommending archival in the recommended text. {{User:Vipz/sig}} 12:51, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
{{Oppose}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}
{{Neutral}}
=== Comments ===
=== Comments ===
I also suggest that [https://archive.today archive.today] is an acceptable website or at least doesn't seem to be immediately going away after ten years. Wayback Machine should still be preferred. Per [[wikipedia:WP:WEBARCHIVES]], [https://timetravel.mementoweb.org Mementos] will allow searching multiple archiving services at once. {{User:WillIdleAway/sig}} 15:35, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
I also suggest that [https://archive.today archive.today] is an acceptable website or at least doesn't seem to be immediately going away after ten years. Wayback Machine should still be preferred. Per [[wikipedia:WP:WEBARCHIVES]], [https://timetravel.mementoweb.org Mementos] will allow searching multiple archiving services at once. {{User:WillIdleAway/sig}} 15:35, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Revision as of 12:51, 29 May 2023

Your opinions matter!

Welcome to the Proposals page. Here, WiKirby's editors may propose changes to the way the wiki operates, including how to handle certain categories of content, quality standards, or even just making aesthetic suggestions. Any user who has Autopatrol status or above may make a proposal or vote on one, and after two weeks of voting, if it passes, it will be incorporated into policy. Please see below for the specifics on how to make and/or vote on a proposal.

How to make a proposal

Please use one of the following templates to make a new proposal:

Single vote: This is for proposals which only propose a single change to the wiki. 

==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)==
(insert details of proposal here and sign with ~~~~)
{{Support}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}

===Discussion===

{{clear}}

Multi-option vote: This is for proposals which include many possible changes to a particular element of policy. One option should always be to keep things as they were. It is recommended that no more than 8 options are given in a single proposal, including the "no change" option. 

==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)==
(insert details of proposal here and sign with ~~~~)
{{Option|1|(option title 1)}}
{{Option|2|(option title 2)}}
{{Option|3|(option title 3)}}
{{Option|etc.|(option title etc.)}}
{{Neutral}}

===Discussion===

{{clear}}

Multi-facet vote: This is for proposals which want to make several smaller changes to a single element of policy (for instance, making several changes to how the main page looks). Each change needs to be voted up or down individually. There should not be more than 5 parts to a proposal like this. This type of proposal should not be made without approval from wiki administration. 

==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)==
(insert summary of proposal here and sign with ~~~~)
===Change 1===
(insert details here)
{{Support}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}
====Change 1 discussion====

===Change 2===
(insert details here)
{{Support}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}
====Change 2 discussion====

===Change 3===
(insert details here)
{{Support}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}
====Change 3 discussion====

etc.

{{clear}}

Once a proposal is made, the voting period begins (see voting regulations below). Voting period for a proposal ends two weeks after it starts, at 23:59:59 UTC on the 14th full day of voting. An administrator can veto a proposal at any time, although such action should always be justifiable and agreed upon by multiple admins. Administrators should not use this right to add more weight to their own opinions.

Restrictions

Users may propose many different changes or additions to the wiki. The following things, however, may not be voted on:

  1. Proposals which target specific users (such as bestowing or removing ranks or rights).
  2. Proposals which violate the law, as specified in the general content policy.
  3. Proposals which seek to overturn a recently (within the last 8 weeks (or 56 days)) approved proposal.
  4. Re-submitted proposals which were recently (within the last 8 weeks (or 56 days)) rejected, and which have not been significantly altered.
Voting regulations
  1. Proposal adding and voting is open only to registered users who have attained Autopatrol status and above. Users who do not have Autopatrol+ may still participate in discussions.
  2. Users who are currently blocked will not be allowed to vote, and any outstanding votes they have on proposals will be removed. Any proposal made by a user who is blocked during the consideration period will also be removed.
  3. All votes must be signed with signatures (type four tildes (~~~~.)) Unsigned votes are automatically negated, regardless of any points made.
  4. After two (2) weeks of voting, a proposal will be immediately enacted if the number of supportive votes is greater than the number of opposing votes, or, in the case of multi-option votes, any option receives a plurality consisting of three or more votes. In the event of a tie, the proposal may be re-voted upon with a one week duration, or annulled by the administrators.
  5. In the event a proposal has seven (7) unanimous support votes OR ten (10) support votes and no more than two neutral votes, as well as the support of a bureaucrat, a proposal may pass in only one (1) week instead of two.
  6. If a supported proposal is vetoed by the administrators, it is considered failed and should not be started again for at least 8 weeks (56 days).
  7. If a proposal fails to garner three (3) supporting votes (or 3 votes on any one option in multi-option proposals), it will not be considered.
  8. The original proposal maker may not vote on their own proposal if it only contains two options (i.e., "yes" or "no" proposals). However, proposers may vote on their own proposals if they have three or more options.
  9. All votes must be supported by a substantial reason from the voter. Simple and/or unproductive comments like "I agree" or "No that's stupid" will result in the vote being removed.
  10. The original proposer may cancel the proposal for any reason during the first three (3) days of its run, and it will not be considered failed. Admins may veto subsequent proposals if this is abused.
  11. Voting users may change their vote at any time before a proposal's deadline passes, but should update their timestamp if doing so.
  12. Discussion must remain civil at all times! Any uncivil discussion will result in the offending users' votes being negated, and possibly lead to strikes or a block.
  13. Excessive campaigning for any proposals will result in the campaigner's vote(s) being negated, or proposal being removed if applicable.
  14. Proposals about minor article manipulation (such as splits, merges, renames, or deletions) should not be created, unless the scope of the discussion is particularly large; otherwise, these should be handled on a case-by-case basis, through discussions or polls on the talk page of the article in question.
  15. It is recommended that a single user make only one (1) proposal at a time. Though simultaneous proposals from the same user are allowed, they are discouraged; this should ideally only be done if multiple issues are in question, and not many proposals are already active.
  16. For multi-option votes, voters are encouraged (but not required) to indicate a first, second, third, etc. vote. The exception to this is neutral votes, which must be the only vote if chosen.

Current Proposals

Require archiving external links (May 20th, 2023 - June 3rd, 2023)

== Archiving external links ==

Ideally when using a website, image from the Internet, or especially a post from the social media as a citation, a link to a [https://archive.org Wayback Machine] archive should also be provided. This is a future-proof measure, in case the site (or the account) gets deleted and the source is no longer accessible or verifiable. Finding an archive is simple: just paste the URL of the site you want to add into the Wayback Machine search bar and see if its here. If yes, then its simple, just use the URL provided. If no, then its still simple, as it can be requested for an archive to be done, which should only take few minutes.
 
Note that some sites block Internet Archive (such as Nintendo of Europe). In this case, the rule does not apply.

I propose for the above text to be added to WiKirby:Citing policy. The events that had happened recently, such as Imgur purging their site from many images, Nintendo Online Magazine and Smash Bros. DOJO!! shutting down, as well as prophecies of Twitter's death have raised awareness that stuff on the internet, in particular social media, can easily be deleted. Thus, as a future-proof measure, I believe every possible external link that can be archived should be done so with Web Archive. Superbound (talk) 12:18, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Support
  1. Agreed. Losing stuff off the internet is going to happen, but making sure it's not gone forever is why the Wayback Machine was made. We already have some sources that may have no archive, and it would be a good thing to keep that from growing. ---PinkYoshiFan 12:23, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
  2. Fight link rot. (That could be a useful policy to refer to, by the way.) It'll only be a matter of time before other websites, like CBC's website for the anime and possibly even the original Smash Bros and Melee promo pages (with Kirby questions and answers), also shut down. —willidleaway [talk | edits] 15:35, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
  3. This is something that Wikipedia does, I think. There is no reason as to not do this, and pointing it out in the policy would lead more people into doing that, which indeed would prevent and bad future. If someone adds some link without an archive, thus "breaking the policy", the edit wouldn't be reverted, but instead ideally it would be kept while also adding the corresponding archive, so again, there is not bad in this. -Zolerian (talk | contribs) 20:15, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
  4. If this is what it takes to preserve a source then I'm all for it, I'll just have to learn how to use that... ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 07:53, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
  5. Full support. I remember a while ago that Kirby's Rainbow Resort was down for months and we had to go around updating links to their archive.org versions, when they existed, in many images. The site did go back up, but that won't always be the case. There is also time sensitive stuff like Kirby Café dishes that we need to archive occasionally or they will be lost in time. All in all, this ideal to preserve our sources. - Gigi (talk • edits) 21:59, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
  6. Heavily agree with this. Preservation is important, especially if we want to check something later. GoldenDragonLeaf (talk · edits) 20:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
  7. After this passes, we should consider recommending Wayback Machine extension/add-on in {{Recommended Downloads}} and archive parameters to {{cite}} and {{Twitterlink}} templates. I also recommend improving the proposed wording - 1) it's unclear to me what "if yes" and "if no" are answers to. 2) there are too many "it's simple"s. 3) where can one request an archive to be done? what will take a few minutes? 4) steps should be made into a list. 5) integrate archive.today as proposed in the comments section when it comes to NoE. It wouldn't hurt to also explain why are we recommending archival in the recommended text. ⁠–⁠Wiz (talk · edits) 12:51, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
Oppose
Neutral

Comments

I also suggest that archive.today is an acceptable website or at least doesn't seem to be immediately going away after ten years. Wayback Machine should still be preferred. Per wikipedia:WP:WEBARCHIVES, Mementos will allow searching multiple archiving services at once. —willidleaway [talk | edits] 15:35, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

It's worth noting that although it took a few minutes, archive.today can archive NoE sites for the moment. —willidleaway [talk | edits] 15:39, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Both should be used. Internet Archive has been lately clashing with lawsuits (i.e. wikipedia:Hachette v. Internet Archive) and its future is uncertain. ⁠–⁠Wiz (talk · edits) 16:21, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

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