Talk:Invincible Candy (theme from Kirby's Dream Land)

Confused about the coverage of this page

Looking closely, I realized this page also covers the Invincible Candy theme from Kirby 64 and Mass Attack, even though they are completely different compositions, and I don't really think they belong in this page. Moreover, I noticed that we don't have the audio tracks from the remixes from Block Ball and the "A Full-Speed Farewell from the New World" section from Forgotten Land. Was this page made to just cover the audio that plays when Kirby is under the effect of the Invincible Candy? If so, why? I would much prefer if this page just focused on the composition from KDL and its remixes than that. If I'm understanding this wrong, feel free to correct me. - Gigi (talk • edits) 20:29, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

I think that "just covers the audio that plays when Kirby is under the effect of the Invincible Candy" is correct, since the other two unique Invincible themes wouldn't be notable enough to get their own articles. We did talk about this a bit on the Discord and decided that Block Ball's level 1 theme shouldn't be on here due to being more significantly different of a theme, in both melody and context, but "A Full-Speed Farewell from the New World" probably should be on here since it's an explicit remix. StarPunch (talk) 02:29, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Move

While I still don't like the idea of covering multiple compositions in this page, I would at least strongly advise to move this page's qualifier to "themes" rather than just "theme", as we are covering themes plural here, not just a single theme. - Gigi (talk • edits) 12:06, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree that renaming the page because of covering multiple themes is a good idea, but if we're covering multiple themes and the the name was only specifically given to two out of three of them (the main one and KMA) then would using a group name for the article (although it would have to be something conjectural) be better? ---PinkYoshiFan 12:39, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Bump ---PinkYoshiFan 14:31, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Something as simple as "Invincible Candy themes" could do, but it would be worth hearing some other ideas first, I think. -- Jellytost♡ (talk) 15:01, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree with the move, although as Gigi said it think it would be better to just refocus this page to be only for the Invincible Candy theme. Superbound (talk) 14:58, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

I think that "Invincible Candy themes" could work as a title, although if it was changed to just cover the main invincibility candy theme, what would happen to the other themes covered here? Would they just be split to "Invincible Candy (K64 theme)" and "Invincible Candy (KMA theme)"? ---PinkYoshiFan 20:49, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Sincerely I do prefer this page just covering "the" normal theme and that's it. I know that basically the K64 and KMA ones wouldn't have any coverage after that, but should they have one? Say, if they have their own pages it probably would consist of only like two paragraphs, one saying that it exists and plays while having the Invincible Candy in its respective game, and the other by having the composition text that is currently in this page. Though maybe I would prefer them having some coverage somewhere rather than nowhere, be in this page or in their own ones, but I don't really know if they should be in this page. If at the end this does cover the other ones, I do agree that a plural name would be better.
Now, between "Invincible Candy (themes)" and "Invincible Candy themes" there is a difference. The first one would talk about themes whose names are "Invincible Candy" which would mean covering completely the original one, and maybe it wouldn't fit so much with the K64 one as we don't know its name. With the second one, the page would instead be aimed to cover basically "the themes that play when Kirby is under the effect of the Invincible Candy" as it was similarly said in the discussion above, which would completely embrace the KMA and K64 ones, but I think that it would ditch out the Block Ball one and "A Full-Speed Farewell from the New World". So I think that which name to use should be something decided after it is completely set what exactly should the page cover. And about what do I prefer for the page to cover, yeah I don't know. My preference generally is for everything to be covered somewhere somehow.
I see that "A Full-Speed Farewell from the New World" already has its own red link, there are red links for every stage theme of Block Ball including the Stage 1 theme, and there are red links for "Inside the Ruins", "Quiet Forest" and "Catacombs" which are K64 themes that play in only one stage (thus are "minor" themes like its Invincible Candy one), so it seems that an option available would be to use this page to cover only the normal theme and only its appearance when Kirby uses the candy, to then make pages for the other four appearances because: two of those four already have red links, one (K64) has something to support its creation, and the other (KMA) doesn't have anything, but we could use the existence of the other three as an excuse to make a page for it. So, an option would be to cover everything here, other option would be to cover the normal theme barring K64 and KMA but including Stage 1 and "A Full-Speed Farewell from the New World", or that option without Stage 1, or maybe even include the K64 and KMA ones but not the other two, or just neither of the four, with whatever one that was excluded having its own page. As for which one I prefer, again, I don't know. -Zolerian (talk | contribs) 17:17, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

I didn't consider that using themes instead of (themes) would disqualify the remixes, but they do have their own pages linked to, so I feel like moving the page to "Invincible Candy themes" would be better since it would remove some of the confusion from that (although it might create its own issues since it could be considered a conjectural name). Splitting off the KMA/K64 ones seems like it could also work if they're not too short, but what would the qualifier for the page for the "main" theme be? ---PinkYoshiFan 22:16, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Bump ---PinkYoshiFan 15:44, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

I'll go ahead and make this move. There seems to be a clear majority in opinion here. We can revisit the idea of splitting off themes another time if needed. --Samwell (talk) 22:02, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Split page by music

I skimmed through the talk page and saw the conversations on Discord. This is one of few (if not only) themes to cover a topic rather than specific music. However, that is not our usual practice with such pages, and it would make more sense to split the K64 and KMA themes off (in fact, I already covered the latter under Kirby Collecting). The rest of the themes can stay under a collective page, and the other versions can be listed outside of trivia for once (like A Full-Speed Farewell from the New World, or the KBBl stage 1 theme, both of which stay separate due to the former's significance and the latter's use in the credits theme as well). Thoughts? ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 11:55, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Agreed, splitting it by what music it is makes sense. ---PinkYoshiFan 12:39, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I've always wanted this page to be split since I prefer we keep music pages by melody/identity rather than use, otherwise nothing would stop someone from doing something silly like "Final Boss (themes)". So, full support. - Gigi (talk • edits) 18:11, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I think I've stated that the page coverage is weird and I support the split. Superbound (talk) 14:08, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Split complete! ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 12:34, 7 October 2023 (UTC)