Talk:Transformation (Kirby's Epic Yarn)

Rewrite

The rewrite template on here mentions making this a disambig or a table. However, which of these should we do, and if we make it a table, then how extensive should it be? ---PinkYoshiFan 23:49, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

I think that this page works way better as a list than a disambiguation. About the tables, probably having three would be good, each for the normal, minor and Metamortex transformations. Though sincerely I think that a table is not necessary, as this already works well as a simple list. The tables would be good to include images, but I don't know if there are images for each minor transformation yet. -Zolerian (talk | contribs) 04:40, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

So something like this?

Normal transformations
Name	Image	Description
Car		A simple transformation ungergone as a way of moving faster

---PinkYoshiFan 12:49, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, exactly, that looks pretty good. I think that either that, or a text list works better than a disambiguation. The Lists of Copy Abilities uses a table, and since tables can have images and notes when necessary, I think that this page following that structure would be good.
In short, I vote on making this page a table, like that one that you did (and with a "Notes" row if necessary). -Zolerian (talk | contribs) 17:16, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

I just thought of something... what if we merged the three types of transformations into one table? Something like this:

List of Yarn transformations
Name	Image	Description	Type
Car		A simple transformation ungergone as a way of moving faster	Normal
Musical Note		Kirby transforms into a musical note when traveling along a clef line in Melody Town.	Minor
Digger		Lorem ipsum	Metamortex

---PinkYoshiFan 23:36, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

That looks good, but I think that it would be better having three separate tables. To me it would be easier to have one table for each type of transformation, and I think that for most readers it would too. If you want to check every Metamortex, I think it would be more comfortable jumping to the Metamortex table, instead of sorting that merged table. Also, the List of Copy Abilities has separated tables by each type of ability, so I think that this list should do that too. I don't know what would other people think. -Zolerian (talk | contribs) 01:49, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, jumping to sections is a bit better than sorting. Anyone else have any thoughts? ---PinkYoshiFan 15:07, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

What do we do with this page?

I decided to make this a separate discussion from the revamp of Copy Abilities that was discussed and approved a while ago because this overlaps with (in theory) three types of transformations in terms of terminology and mechanics.

In KEY, we officially have something called "Transformations" as seen in the manual. Transformations in KEY are basically what we have here in this page, they cover both the "normal" transformations and the "Metamortex" ones. In Japanese, the Metamortex ones are called specifically メタモル能力 (Metamor Ability) (as seen in the Japanese Kirby wiki), and are considered Special Abilities in Kirby Portal, and the other "normal" transformations aren't even treated as Special Abilities, they are considered part of Kirby and Fluff's movesets. For example, Car is treated simply as Dash and there's a mention that Kirby turns into a car/sleigh (see in the Dash page and in the Kirby's Epic Yarn page). In short, for the KEY transformations, they are treated different in Japanese and English, which makes it hard to basically get what Kirby Portal has of classifications and apply here.

Still talking about KEY, worth noting that we also have a separate Metamortex page that currently overlaps a bit with this one, so much that メタモル能力 is mentioned in the Metamortex page and not in this one, oddly enough.

Sounds complicated? Well, it's about to get even more complicated... In Rainbow Curse, Kirby can turn into a rocket, submarine and tank. And... they are also called "Transformations" in the English manual. Even though in Japanese they are called 乗り物 (Vehicles) instead.

So we have two kinds of transformations: the ones from KEY, and the ones from KatRC, and the ones from KEY different on terminology between Japanese and English. With all this in mind, here are the current problems:

• This page has a conjectural name. "Yarn Transformation" isn't official as far as I can tell
• Transformation redirects to this page, even though the KatRC Transformations exist
• Metamortex has overlapping content with this page
• The KatRC Transformations don't have any page dedicated to them right now. There is not a list of them anywhere, not even in Kirby and the Rainbow Curse

Due to the effort of better organizing Copy Ability coverage on the wiki, my plan is to have a page for the KatRC Transformations, as well as figure out how we deal with the KEY transformations. With everything said above, I see a couple options:

• Put all three of these into a single "Transformation" page. Have a section for each of the three and mention the Japanese names as applicable. The Metamortex continues to exists separately.
• Make separate pages for all three types of transformations, and "Transformation" is a disambig page to point to all three. With this, Metamortex gets merged to some "Transformation (Metamortex)" page or something (name pending).
• Make separate pages for the KEY Transformations and KatRC Transformations, and "Transformation" is a disambig page. Something like "Transformation (Kirby's Epic Yarn)" and "Transformation (Kirby and the Rainbow Curse)". In the KEY one, list the two types separately.
  • For this one, we would decide if Metamortex merges to this page or stays as its own.

What do you all think is the best option? (personally, I lean to the third one) And did I miss anything? If so, feel free to add. - Gigi (talk • edits) 22:08, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

My opinion is merge this into Metamortex/Metamato (if that even has a page) and make this a redirect. Transformation undeniably needs to be a disambiguation because there may not be many things it can refer to right now, but there will be eventually. Transformation disambig could link to Metamortex, Rainbow Curse transformations, the zillions of Kirby Balls, and even Mouthful Mode if you want to get iffy with "Kirby's body becomes something different." I see no reason to make a single "Transformations" page, especially when we're debating on whether to split up Costumes. Waddlez3121 (talk) 22:15, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

I also agree that the third option is the most sensible. These concepts of transformations are different enough to be their own categories so they could be separate pages. Also, the Metamortex could be mentioned in the KEY transformation page. --Paistrie (talk) 02:31, 7 January 2024 (UTC)