Talk:Copy Ability

Final Abilities

Star Rod, Master, Triple Star, the Wing/Crystal combo, Rainbow Sword, Star Chariot, and whatever the Heart Rod thing from KDL3 is called should be organized in a separate chart, because they are special abilities that Kirby obtains for the final boss battle in each game. If we want to remain credible, we cannot let them in the "Regular Abilities" section, because they are everything, but regular. - Edofenrir^{( talk)} 01:09, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the Wing/Crystal (and te ones I never used), but I disagree with the Star Rod, Master, Triple Star, and Heart Rod. Fore those may be used outside of their primery levels and they are normal abilities that can be used on multiple puzzles. -- կրակ ^(խոսել) -- 01:45, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

No, they are extraordinary powerful abilities that are granted to the player for the final battle of the respective game. The fact that you can use them in gameplay afterwards is merely a gimmick. Also, I don't recall either the Star Rod or the Heart Rod ever be usable outside of the final battle.- Edofenrir^{( talk)} 01:50, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Edofenrir beat me too it. :P What he said is exactly right, but Star Chariot is not considered a final ability though. Gamefreak75 (Talk)

Yeah, Star Chariot is the only one that falls out of the norm here, I guess. It's some kind of in-between ability. It isn't really a final battle ability, but it's too special to be a regular one. - Edofenrir^{( talk)} 02:12, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

A Star Chariot appears in SS, KatAM, and SSU, it isn't an ability in my opinoin. (In KatAM, it is a star he rides.) But regardless of their strength, they are still reguler copy abilities and shouldn't be moved. If you want to make a different chart for the carige, go ahead. But leave the rest here. You can put a category on all of those abilities' pages, but do not make something into something it isn't. P.S.: Enemies hit by it still take as much damage as any hit would take. Fire Sword has the exact same effect as the master, yet it is a reguler skill. -- կրակ ^(խոսել) -- 02:50, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

You cannot get these abilities through normal gameplay. They only become available the instant you reach the final boss. There is no regular enemy that yields these abilities when inhaled, and except two of them, you cannot take them out of the final battle. These are only a few of the things that set them apart from regular abilities. I don't know what your sources are, but calling these abilities regular will make this wiki a laughing stock, since they are known as special abilities both among fans, and in the game. - Edofenrir^{( talk)} 03:09, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

You can not get a lot of abilities from enemies. We never said they were reguler. Moving it would make us a bigger laughing stock. Your honestly looking for an excuse to make an unnesisary edit. There is no point in changing it even though some people consider it greater than others. -- կրակ ^(խոսել) -- 03:15, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

You can get all regular abilities from enemies and mid bosses. Please check your sources. - Edofenrir^{( talk)} 03:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I niether confirmed nor denied that. What I said is that some abilities don't come from any monsters too. For example, Electric Bomb from KSS doesn't come from any enemy. -- կրակ ^(խոսել) -- 03:25, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Based on the discussion here, I'd suggest we go with the consensus from Gamefreak and Edo that the abilities be moved. If others disagree in future, this can always be re-evaluated. Adam 12:15, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I think for the most part, the copy abilities are unclassified or barely classified by any site. It's a pretty huge task, and one I'm proud we are undertaking. The finer our filters for the classifications, and most canonical and sourced the name is, the better the end result will be. So the name for the Power Combos is a great find. I'm not sure if "Special Ability" or "Final Ability" etc is a canon title, if not we can use the conjectural title for the name. But I agree that they would be best separated from the run-of-the-mill abilities. This way they can stand out for their unique attributes. I think we can create a new table/page as a Master Copy Ability Appendix or something. I like that for the ability page he created a table that sorts and indicates which games the ability was in. Well the other table and sub page I'm thinking of would replace the game appearance cells with say: Type (Elemental-Fire); Number of uses (ex:Smash can do several attacks), Helper Creation (yes/no), Granted from (Enemy/Boss/Pedestal/Copy Essence Deluze), etc. I'm sure we'll be able to think up many more things.

Lastly, sorry I'm short on time this week, I'm working a lot more than I thought. It's out of town but instead of getting a hotel, we get a paid commute.

Axiomist (talk) 15:55, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

At keast in Crystal Shards, all abilities come from enemies, except the final ability, which can't be found in the normal gameplay. I agree with Edo. User:Tucayo/sig

Triple Star Bubble

Okay, so in KSS, when you have the bubble ability on, you can get the Ability Pedastal in a bubble when used on an enemy. If you use it on an ability neutral enemy, you get a star in a bubble. You can fuse to stars to make it glow. You can fuse a glowing star and a normal star or another glowing star to make a larger glowing star. (Seen in the image to the right.) Since you fuse three stars to make a Large Star, do you think this is a reference to the Triple Star/Block Copy Ability that appears in the same game? Post Script: No form of stars do anything. When givin to kirby, it goes to his mouth. When swallowed, it goes back into your lower screen and explodes. -- կրակ ^(խոսել) -- 05:07, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so, as the Triple Star ability is three separate stars shot at different times, while this is one combined star. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 13:53, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Animal Friend Abilities

Just noticed that all of those simply link to respective friend's article, not an article on the ability combination. Should it stay that way, with the combined abilities eventually being covered in the friends' article, or should they get their own articles?--Vellidragon 12:42, 24 September 2010 (CDT)

Remakes' Abilities

Nightmare in Dream Land is a remake of Adventure, and had the exact same abilities as its predecessor. Super Star Ultra is a remake of Super Star, and also has the exact same abilities as its own predecessor. Given this, why do we include the remakes' abilities in a separate column than the original game? --Guy 22:09, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

Probably for the same reason the table leaves out important games. It's evidently not perfect, and that's why it's not locked and anyone can improve it. I have some ideas for this table though that would require having them listed seperately anyway, don't know when or if those will be implemented though, as there's still some considerations to make and work to do.--Vellidragon 09:31, 28 April 2011 (CDT)

Kirby's Return to Dream Land Super Abilities

Seeing how this issue has been brought up for other games in the past, how would super abilities from Kirby's Return to Dream Land be treated here? (I put this in a new section because of the time discrepancy) T.c.w7468 17:54, 16 January 2012 (CST)

Landia

what about Landia would that be recognized as a copy ability? it similar to star chariot. User:Waddle daddle dee

Article image

Beam is a common ability and featured on the Kirby Super Star box, but I'm not sure if it works that well as an illustration here as it's missing from Kirby's Dream Land 2, Kirby's Dream Land 3 and Kirby 64, three major instalments of the series (it is also missing from Kirby's Dream Course, Kirby's Block Ball and Kirby Air Ride and never appears in the anime). Perhaps something more commonly featured would work better? As far as I'm aware, Stone is the most common one, only missing (in terms of games that have abilities at all) from Squeak Squad and Kirby Air Ride (Burning is featured in some way in all games except Kirby Air Ride, but is sometimes part of Fire rather than a seperate power).--Vellidragon 18:53, 14 May 2013 (CDT)

Fusion Copy Abilities - 3 Mistakes

In the section "Fusion Copy Abilities" there is mentioned that the abilities "Coo Broom", "Rick Broom" and "Kine Broom" are present in Kirby's Dream Land 2. This is incorrect, as the Broom ability doesn't exist at all in Kirby's Dream Land 2. Also some abilities like "Kine Ice" and "Coo Cutter" are notably different in Kirby's Dream Land 2 and Kirby's Dream Land 3. Is it correct to present them as identical?Gomess 512 (talk) 01:46, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Smash Ability

Wouldn't the Smash ability not have the asterisks, since it was also featured in Kirby and The Amazing Mirror as well? --User:TheSilverKnight 11:59, 4 October 2019 (ETC)

Not sure what you mean specifically. I didn't see asterisks on the Smash ability in the main table. --Fubaka (talk) 16:02, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

I didn't source it properly, I meant in the "Ultility" section. --User: TheSilverKnight 12:34, 4 October 2019 (ETC)

Ah yes, the reason that asterisk is there is to point out that Smash cannot be used to grab enemies in any game other than Kirby: Planet Robobot. --Fubaka (talk) 17:29, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

metal blocks

missile can break metal blocks, as seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB7UXkotzuA Pikapika200 (talk) 20:32, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I added it to the list, thanks. You can also try editing yourself, it's not difficult since you can just copy-edit the formatting from other items on the list. ⁠–⁠Wiz (talk · edits) 21:09, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

and I added the reference. but also, return to dreamland isn't the only game where the fire ability can break metal blocks. fire can also break metal blocks in squeak squad. Pikapika200 (talk) 17:34, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Referring to Smash (Bros.)

I was looking at the chart, and I noticed that Cook's summary states that it was Kirby's Final Smash in Brawl, so shouldn't that mean that Hammer, Cutter,& Stone should also have their role in Smash Bros. explained? (Not on on their own pages, but on this one.)--Marx4Smash (talk) 13:40, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Hammer, Cutter, and Stone only have their single moves in Kirby's Smash moveset, whereas Cook Kirby is the whole shebang for Kirby's Final Smash. It only has one move anyway, but it still has the hat and everything, so it's on a different level there. StarPunch (talk) 21:02, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

OK. This does make sense now. But if you head over to the Ice page, there is one thing that should on that page; in Smash 4, Custom moves were introduced, and one of Kirby's custom moves referenced the Ice Copy Ability. It seems rather absurd, but go to the Smash Wiki and you'll see what I'm talking about.--Marx4Smash (talk) 13:40, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Evolved Copy Abilities—where do they fit?

Hi, I noticed that the Evolved Copy Abilities from Kirby and the Forgotten Land haven't yet been added to the page. While I was gonna do so myself underneath the Special Abilities table initially, mostly because of their similarities with the super abilities from Kirby's Return To Dreamland (albeit with an actual moveset this time and not screenwipes), mid-way I decided to reread the descriptions of the categories listed and began to question where exactly they would fit. I believe that they should be on an entirely new category altogether, due to how the special abilities specifically mention that their abilities listed can't be obtained through swallowing enemies, whereas evolved copy abilities essentially replace the base abilities in normal levels. I also do not believe they belong on combination abilities, because of how evolved copy abilities are forged from blueprints, not necessarily needing anything to combine with to make (unless you count currency and rare stones). I feel like getting consensus on this would help. Lens (talk) 08:38, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Ideally, I would like to reformat this Copy Ability page following the official Copy Ability list in the Kirby Portal site, meaning that we would have a list of regular Copy Abilities, and a section detailing the "Special Abilities". This would mean that Evolved Copy Abilities would get their own section under Special Abilities. The "Combination Copy Abilities" section we currently have in this page feels very arbitrary for me and I would rather stick with official sources whenever possible. - Gigi (talk • edits) 17:47, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

That is a surprisingly useful source. Official, too.
Provided your plan goes forward, though, and this may also be a personal gripe, but I question whether partners should be listed on the page, barring Wheelie Rider, as they aren't exactly "abilities" in the sense that Kirby himself obtains a new moveset/power; they are self-operating. A case could be made for the animal friends as well but they never split off from Kirby/you can't control them separately in the games they originally come from. That, and I also question where other abilities not listed such as the bubble abilities and non-series ones would go (though I would imagine both would remain on the page regardless). Lens (talk) 01:39, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Abilites utilities (hey that rhymes)

So, as we know it, there are 69 (nice) Total copy abilities, (excluding special ones) and In the Discord, Me, User:Gigi, and some others were discussing very important thing: Copy Abilities. Now, as we know, there are different "elements" depending on the Copy Ability. Now, what I think, is that there are 4 DISTINCT GROUPS of copy abilities:

The Weapon Group; which consists of Weapon Copy Abilities like Sword, Ranger, Staff, etc.

The Element Group; with Copy abilities like Fire, Sand, Ice, Leaf, etc.

The Transform Group; with abilities like Missile, UFO, Stone, Jelly, etc.

The Unique Group; with abilities that may have elemental or weapon attributes, but aren't centered around them; such as Mecha, Animal, Beetle, etc.

And of course the limited-use abilities. Let me know what you guys think! -- IsaacBoi321 (talk) 18:28, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

As I mentioned on Discord, I disagree with these categories existing. They are unofficial, subjective, and I don't really see why are needed. Here on WiKirby we should deal with official information, not with fan content. - Gigi (talk • edits) 18:31, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok, like I mentioned on Discord, then I have a new idea. Expand the Power Effect page to and rename it "Element" and expand it so it covers other games too! - IsaacBoi321 (talk) 18:36, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

If you want to discuss that, you should discuss it in that page's talk page, not here. - Gigi (talk • edits) 18:37, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the rewrite notice: reorganize this page

So this has been long overdue for me to formally suggest. However, here it is.

The Japanese Kirby website has a full page about Copy Abilities. Even if you don't know Japanese, you will notice it's split like this: "Copy Ability" as an umbrella term for basically any ability Kirby gets. It's split into "Copy Abilities" and "Special Abilities".

The Copy Abilities are the regular/standard ones. Right now the way we categorize them is fine. My suggestion is mostly surrounded around the Special Abilities. Right now we have "Combination and enhanced Copy Abilities" and "Special abilities and Last Battle Abilities" as different things for some reason, and they are conjectural categories. It doesn't make sense to me to split them up arbitrarily like that, in particular when some you could argue should change groups (like, why are Super Abilities in "Special abilities and Last Battle Abilities" and not "Combination and enhanced Copy Abilities" if they are stronger versions of some regular Copy Abilities?) On top of that, we have "Other", which is a category I want to keep for stuff not listed in Kirby Portal, but you will notice that some things there are considered "Special Abilities" by the official site (like the Clash game Roles).

So, basically, we should remove "Combination and enhanced Copy Abilities" and "Special abilities and Last Battle Abilities" and instead have "Special Abilities", these being:

• Last Battle Abilities (and we don't need to list some of them separately like we do right now)
• Animal Friends
• Helpers (this also includes Wheelie Rider, so it doesn't need to be listed separately, but should be mentioned)
• Power Combos (currently that redirects to the Kirby 64 page for some reason, imo should be its own page)
• Metamortex Transformations (they are currently covered in the Yarn Transformation, but they are considered different things and should be probably split in fact)
• Super Abilities
• Hypernova
• Roles (currently a disambiguation, imo should be a full page)
• Friend Abilities
• Friend Actions (they are currently covered in the Friend Ability page, but they are considered different things and should be probably split in fact)
• Ravel Abilities
• Mouthful Mode
• Evolved Copy Abilities
• Copy Food Abilities (currently redirects to Copy Food despite the items and abilities being different things, probably worth being its own page)
• Air Ride Machines (currently a disambiguation, imo should be a full page)
• Clay Transformations (they need a page for them! currently we directly link to the Rainbow Curse page, which I don't think is proper)
• Robobot Armor

As for "Other", for anything else we currently have listed in the page that isn't listed in the official website:

• Mix
• Ability Scrolls
• Bubbled essence fusion
• Other Yarn Transformations

For some reason the unused Block ability from KSqSq is listed in "Other" in this page right now... I don't think it fits there at all lol, would remove it.

Anyway, I think that's about it. Any comments, suggestions, anything? - Gigi (talk • edits) 18:58, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

One weird quirk of this that I noticed (and is also present on the page right now): abilities in Dream Buffet are treated as regular abilities (e.g., Hi-Jump is listed as appearing in Dream Buffet on the website and Jelly is listed on the main abilities page), yet Copy Food Abilities as a whole are treated as a special ability. How would that be handled? ---PinkYoshiFan 22:12, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh yeah Copy Food Abilities are weird. I think they are basically skins of abilities if that makes sense. We should list them on the wiki but put something like "(as a Copy Food Ability)" in navboxes and stuff and clarify in sections. Sorta like we do with Clash roles but not really (Kirby Portal doesn't count them as appearences of the base ability for example). Funnily enough, I had to do something similar when I listed copy ability appearences in the novels, and sometimes I had to similarly note when an Ability appeared in their Evolved Ability form. It's at core the base ability but different, much like Copy Food Abilities I feel, except that in Dream Buffet there is no base abilities. In short, I would consider them Special Ability versions of regular Copy Abilities. - Gigi (talk • edits) 22:51, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Agree with all points presented other than splitting Copy Food and Copy Food Abilities from each other, having it more like the base Copy Ability page would make sense (although... something like Copy Essences, Ability Items or even Metamortex do have their own pages. So it would all depend on whether or not Copy Food has something to say that isn't repeating whatever Copy Food Abilities would have). ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 04:47, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

It's just weird that the wiki can't decide if Copy Food Abilities should be covered in Copy Food or Copy Ability. The opening paragraph of the Copy Food page starts with: "Copy Food are a series of food-based items that grant temporary use of Copy Food Abilities in Kirby's Dream Buffet." It links Copy Food Abilities to the Copy Ability page when Copy Food Ability redirects to Copy Food. It's confusing. I do get the concern of repeating content, which we should probably evaluate better, but other than that I feel it makes sense to basically not have content about them split into two different pages (and maybe three, the third being the ability page of a Copy Food Ability; like, right now, the Copy Food page doesn't really have any content much about the abilities themselves). - Gigi (talk • edits) 20:53, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Bump. - Gigi (talk • edits) 01:07, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

I think reworking the page as described for consistency with Kirby Portal is good. As for the Copy Food thing, I wonder if we could just rework and move the current Copy Food page into a Copy Food Ability page? I don't think there's enough unique information for both of them to have pages, and the Kirby Portal page is about the abilities rather than the items. (Also it's what we do for Ravel Abilities, which seem pretty similar since they're variants with different effects/designs and unique one(s) in a spinoff.) On the other hand, I think Copy Food is an official name, which gives more reason to give it a page (but again, I'm not sure if Copy Foods and Copy Food Abilities are unique enough from each other to give them two separate pages). ---PinkYoshiFan 23:07, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure yet myself, but if anything, for Ravel Abilities, they do have Ravel Balls that give them but they aren't currently a page, it redirects to the Ravel Ability page. So it may be a similar case here? - Gigi (talk • edits) 13:09, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

That approach sounds about right. ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 13:58, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

That seems like it could work. ---PinkYoshiFan 15:16, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, you are clear to do this rework. --Samwell (talk) 18:47, 26 December 2023 (UTC)