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Proposals

Using bold or italics for music names (December 18th, 2023 - January 1st, 2024)

The sister proposal for the above, for an individual aspect that is significantly more complex than the above. Bold text can be seen used:

  • In the infobox caption and opening abstract
  • For alternate names listed in the article
  • When listing medleys that a theme is a part of

Italics are typically used for translations of foreign titles.

They serve as a visual cue, preventing important information from going unnoticed, but between their interactions with links and/or quotation marks, they are used inconsistently, in particular as far as the latter two points are concerned. So, here come more subpoints to discuss. ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 15:52, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Formatting alternate names (English)

For example, "A Trip to Alivel Mall" is named "Love, Love, Alivel" in Kirby's Dream Buffet. Welcome to the New World! is "Kirby and the Forgotten Land: Bonus Song 3". So, how do we treat these? (Ranked voting highly recommended due to a large number of options)

Option 1: Only bold
Option 2: Only italics
  1. When writing/typing the name of a song, I'm pretty sure you're supposed to either italicize it or underline. This format would technically be the most correct one. --Paistrie (talk) 17:12, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
    #First choice. Italicizing music titles is the standard for main titles, I don't see a reason why that shouldn't apply to other titles. ---PinkYoshiFan 01:26, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Option 3: Only quotation marks
  1. Second choice. Would want to avoid italics personally. ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 06:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
  2. Second choice. Same reasoning as before with consistency, although it seems like the standard both here and in other places is actually quotes for single track titles (italics for albums).---PinkYoshiFan
  3. First choice. I think this keeps the best consistency with the formats of the sister proposal. Waddlez3121 (talk) 17:27, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Option 4: Bold and italics
Option 5: Bold and quotation
  1. First choice. To highlight the important text and still be consistent with using quotation (per discussions way above) ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 06:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
  2. First choice. I can see this being helpful since that might be what brought people to an article. ---PinkYoshiFan 13:35, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
  3. First choice. Usually alternate name of articles are rendered in bold, and these are what they fundamentally are. And quotations makes it clear that they are song names. - Gigi (talk • edits) 14:55, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
  4. This one, as Gigi put it. Quotes for song names always, bold for alternate names of an article. StarPunch (talk) 11:53, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Option 6: Italics and quotation
Option 7: All formatting
Neutral

Formatting (alternate) names (foreign)

This primarily applies to names from something like Kirby Star Allies, where we have an official Japanese title. This is more complex. Do we want to name only the English text and have Japanese in Names in other languages? Or name Japanese and English together in text? If the latter, then how? For the first case, formatting is established in the above proposals will be used. Foreign titles will not be within quotation marks or italics (unless someone in discussions shows up and disagrees) because they're clunky, and so is this proposal.

Option 1: Only English name in text
Option 2: Don't bold foreign, italics English

#Second choice. Italicizing the English name seems good to be consistent with native English names being italicized, but bolding the foreign name seems standard on other wikis and also to some extent here. ---PinkYoshiFan 01:26, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

  1. Second choice. Makes sense if there is no reason to bold the foreign text ig. ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 06:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Option 3: Bold foreign, italics English
  1. In many other wiki websites, many foreign names are bolded, while translations are italicized. This one should be used in order to be consistent with other wikis. --Paistrie (talk) 17:43, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
  2. First choice. This seems to be the current de facto standard, and avoiding names in other languages sections having several tables with one line seems good. ---PinkYoshiFan 01:26, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
  3. First choice. It's how we do it now in most cases. If the foreign name doesn't have quotations and translation is in paranthesis, quotation marks would only add to clutter, right? ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 06:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
  4. First choice. Bold because it's an alternate title, italics to render translations as we do most of the time. - Gigi (talk • edits) 14:57, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
  5. This is what I always go with. Bold for alternate title, italics for translations. If the title is in a Latin language, use quotes as well. StarPunch (talk) 11:53, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Option 4: Don't bold foreign, quotation marks English
  1. Second choice. Again, same reasoning as before with consistency with native English names but now looking at the actual standard for those.
Option 5: Bold foreign, quotation marks English
  1. First choice. This one makes the most sense to me. Waddlez3121 (talk) 17:29, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Option 6: Don't bold foreign, double format English
Option 7: Bold foreign, double format English
Neutral

Formatting medleys

This technically overlaps with the foreign names point half of the time, but it stands separate for something like... "Kirby's Triumphant Return". This overrides the bold rule for foreign titles above for medleys specifically. Aspects not mentioned here are covered above (this includes the use of quotation marks).

Option 1: Bold medleys
  1. First choice. In favour of bolding medleys as important info. ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 06:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Option 2: Don't bold medleys (includes foreign)
  1. Second choice, to not differentiate foreign from English going with this. In case it's suddenly considered not too important. ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 06:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
  2. First choice. While it's most likely an edge case with this, Kirby's Triumphant Return does show one issue with bolding medleys in the KatFL section: bold stops looking important because there's so many things bolded ---PinkYoshiFan 13:35, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
  3. I prefer not to bold medleys since they aren't alternate titles but separate things entirely. StarPunch (talk) 11:53, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Option 3: Don't bold medleys (doesn't include foreign)
Option 4: Italics for medleys (doesn't include foreign)
  1. Since these are still individual themes, italicizing these would also be grammatically correct. --Paistrie (talk) 17:50, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
    #First choice. Same reason for other votes, normal music tracks are italicized and I don't see why that shouldn't apply here. ---PinkYoshiFan 01:26, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Neutral

Using quotation marks for music names (December 18th, 2023 - January 1st, 2024)

This will be the first of hopefully a full series of proposals concerning music and their dedicated pages. To start it simple, I would like to suggest making quotation marks for their titles consistent. The difference is essentially Green Greens vs Green Greens vs "Green Greens" (to name an example). As we have it now, the more common formatting (or what it should be) is:

  • Quotation marks:
    • Opening abstract
    • Infobox caption
    • Outside of links in composition and game appearances [edit that hopefully doesn't cause conflict: actually no, this is inconsistent, but it's due to bold text and italics, which will be a proposal for another time I suppose ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 14:59, 18 December 2023 (UTC)]
  • No quotation marks:
    • Music navboxes
    • Page title
    • Infobox title
    • Within names in other languages tables
    • Jukebox tables
  • Inconsistent usage:
    • Conjectural titles in various areas, in particular with "the" preceding the name
    • Headings for English names in other languages
    • Track names for stage/level infoboxes
    • Titles within links outside of templates

The inconsistencies are the more concerning part. I don't think any changes should be made to the currently consistent format, but that is open to discussion in the corresponding section. The four points of inconsistency will have separate votes, to make it easier. Votes in favor (where applicable) are for adding quotation marks, while voting against is for removing them. ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 08:52, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Update: I clarified what is what under each section with examples since there was confusion. ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 13:23, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Conjectural titles

Examples:

Option 1: Always use quotation marks
  1. Second choice. I'd rather have all of them be distinguished like that than not at all. Infinite Possibilities (talk) 19:52, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
  2. First choice. It looks more consistent this way, and it looks better to distinguish music names like this. --YFJ (talk · edits) 23:03, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
  3. First choice. While it may look a bit strange, it makes sense so that editors and viewers can tell if something is a song name or part of a song name. ~☆Starvoid⁠☆ (t · c) 23:20, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
  4. Second choice. If the wiki keeps using the phrase "the "name" theme", I would prefer if it kept quotations. - RHVGamer (talk · edits) 18:50, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Option 2: Do not use quotation marks if "the" is present
  1. First choice. I can see the quotation marks being helpful for distinguishing conjectural titles, but it looks a bit off with The "name" theme. ---PinkYoshiFan 13:55, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
  2. First choice. When a "the" precedes the conjectural name adding quotation marks as well seems unnecessary to me. Infinite Possibilities (talk) 19:52, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
  3. Second choice, per above, but I feel like it’s better to avoid this use to whatever extent possible; just “Town” and “Ordeal” are sufficient. -YFJ (talk · edits) 23:03, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
  4. Second choice. Very similar to my first choice, but removing "the". ~☆Starvoid⁠☆ (t · c) 23:20, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
  5. First choice. If a name isn't official, I don't see much use to put quotations in a theme name when it has "the" before and "theme" after. Meanwhile, without the "the" and "theme" it can get confusing what is being talked about, and quotation marks can help clarify it's about a song, even if the name isn't official. - Gigi (talk • edits) 01:30, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
  6. I think this is the one I want??? Not sure how this rule applies to certain theme names ("The Skull Gang"?) but conjectural title are not actual titles and shouldn't be treated as such.Waddlez3121 (talk) 17:34, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
  7. First choice. Using "the _ theme" for conjectural names with or without quotations has always looked a bit odd to me, just using the conjectural title in quotations and nothing more makes the most sense to me. - RHVGamer (talk · edits) 18:50, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
  8. Getting my last minute votes in since I nearly forgot this was a thing. I would prefer not use the "the 'name' theme" construct, but also to be consistent on putting song titles in quotes unless they are descriptors rather than titles. In other words, official song names should always be like "Max Happy Town!!", and unofficial names should be like "Town" or the Town theme. StarPunch (talk) 11:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Option 3: Do not use quotation marks
  1. Second choice. Having quotation marks to distinguish conjectural titles could be good but I'm fine with this one too. ---PinkYoshiFan 13:55, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
  2. Second choice. In a way, not using quotations for conjectural names makes it clearer in general that they aren't official names. - Gigi (talk • edits) 01:30, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Neutral

Names in other languages headings

Compare Time for the Results#Names in other languages and Memories (I'll Never Forget You)#Names in other languages

Support
  1. Per my vote for the infoboxes. I don’t see any issue with using quote marks here, consistency is better, and we italicize game names in headings the same way. -YFJ (talk · edits) 23:10, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. When the track name is the only thing in the heading, the quotation marks just make it look more cluttered. ---PinkYoshiFan 13:44, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
  2. Similar to my vote above, I don't think adding quotation marks is necessary when it is already distinguished, in this case by being alone in the heading. Infinite Possibilities (talk) 19:52, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
  3. Just like with the title of a music page, I don't think using quotations in headings is necessary. - RHVGamer (talk · edits) 18:50, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
  4. I'm admittedly not consistent with this, as I do prefer consistency with always having music titles in quotes, but I do think it makes linking to certain sections more confusing, yeah. No quotation marks for section titles, for accessibility. StarPunch (talk) 11:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Neutral

Music in stage/level infoboxes

Compare Butter Building - Stage 1 and Popstar

Support
  1. We italicize game names even if they’re the only thing in the infobox section, so I don’t see the issue with using quote marks here. Again, consistency is always better. -YFJ (talk · edits) 23:08, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
  2. It can get really confusing when songs named after stages/levels get linked in infoboxes. Without the quotation marks, a reader can be confused and wonder, for example, why there is "The Fountain of Dreams" in Nebula Belt: they could think of the location before the song. While, sure, you could argue they should know better because there is a description and music files above, it's important to consider. And since we often add game names to clarify where a song is from (like in Bubbly Clouds (Battle Stage)) I feel it makes sense to be consistent and, much how games are always italicized, we should have song names with quotation marks. - Gigi (talk • edits) 01:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
  3. I think it makes sense to use quotations in infoboxes, since they have more than just music in them. When I added a lot of music to infoboxes (including the Butter Building page you highlighted), I wasn't thinking about if there should be quotations, but looking back I would add them. - RHVGamer (talk · edits) 18:50, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
  4. Support. I much prefer consistency here as long as it doesn't affect usability, and I don't think it will be confusing or cluttered. StarPunch (talk) 11:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Same as with names in other languages above, when the track name is the only thing there, the quotation marks just make it look more cluttered. ---PinkYoshiFan 13:44, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
  2. Also similar to my votes above, when the track name it is already distinguished in some way, in this case by being alone in the infobox, adding quotation marks doesn't really add anything. Infinite Possibilities (talk) 19:52, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Neutral

Outside of square (link) brackets

Compare Inside the Castle#Composition and Coin Clash (theme)#Composition

Support
  1. Here having quotation marks appears as the logical throughline to me. Makes it easier to tell at a glance whether it refers to a track or something else. Infinite Possibilities (talk) 19:52, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
  2. Can’t really add too much to my vote comments above, but in addition to that, it makes it immediately obvious whether the link goes to Green Greens or "Green Greens". -YFJ (talk · edits) 23:14, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
  3. I don't see any reason for non-links to have different formatting than with links. ---PinkYoshiFan 12:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
  4. I agree with everyone else here, it makes sense to use quotations in normal text whether it's a link or not. - RHVGamer (talk · edits) 18:50, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
  5. Again, consistency whenever possible. StarPunch (talk) 11:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Oppose

#I think it's better to just do what we do for other articles (e.g. Kirby) and just bold the first instance of the article title in the infobox as well as the main text. ---PinkYoshiFan 13:44, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Neutral

Discussion

Regarding the comment for the vote for the fourth aspect (quotation marks paired with links), I would like to be clear that it does not affect bold text. It affects listing other themes as a part of the composition or a medley. For example, it's differentiating between <"Green Greens" can include Kirby's Triumphant Return> and <"Green Greens" can include "Kirby's Triumphant Return">. ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 15:55, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
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