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Welcome to the Proposals page. Here, WiKirby's editors may propose changes to the way the wiki operates, including how to handle certain categories of content, quality standards, or even just making aesthetic suggestions. Any user who has Autopatrol status or above may make a proposal or vote on one, and after two weeks of voting, if it passes, it will be incorporated into policy. Please see below for the specifics on how to make and/or vote on a proposal.

How to make a proposal

Please use one of the following templates to make a new proposal:

Single vote: This is for proposals which only propose a single change to the wiki. 

==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)==
(insert details of proposal here and sign with ~~~~)
{{Support}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}

===Discussion===

{{clear}}

Multi-option vote: This is for proposals which include many possible changes to a particular element of policy. One option should always be to keep things as they were. It is recommended that no more than 8 options are given in a single proposal, including the "no change" option. 

==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)==
(insert details of proposal here and sign with ~~~~)
{{Option|1|(option title 1)}}
{{Option|2|(option title 2)}}
{{Option|3|(option title 3)}}
{{Option|etc.|(option title etc.)}}
{{Neutral}}

===Discussion===

{{clear}}

Multi-facet vote: This is for proposals which want to make several smaller changes to a single element of policy (for instance, making several changes to how the main page looks). Each change needs to be voted up or down individually. There should not be more than 5 parts to a proposal like this. This type of proposal should not be made without approval from wiki administration. 

==(insert proposal here) (insert date here)==
(insert summary of proposal here and sign with ~~~~)
===Change 1===
(insert details here)
{{Support}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}
====Change 1 discussion====

===Change 2===
(insert details here)
{{Support}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}
====Change 2 discussion====

===Change 3===
(insert details here)
{{Support}}
{{Oppose}}
{{Neutral}}
====Change 3 discussion====

etc.

{{clear}}

Once a proposal is made, the voting period begins (see voting regulations below). Voting period for a proposal ends two weeks after it starts, at 23:59:59 UTC on the 14th full day of voting. An administrator can veto a proposal at any time, although such action should always be justifiable and agreed upon by multiple admins. Administrators should not use this right to add more weight to their own opinions.

Restrictions

Users may propose many different changes or additions to the wiki. The following things, however, may not be voted on:

  1. Proposals which target specific users (such as bestowing or removing ranks or rights).
  2. Proposals which violate the law, as specified in the general content policy.
  3. Proposals which seek to overturn a recently (within the last 8 weeks (or 56 days)) approved proposal.
  4. Re-submitted proposals which were recently (within the last 8 weeks (or 56 days)) rejected, and which have not been significantly altered.
Voting regulations
  1. Proposal adding and voting is open only to registered users who have attained Autopatrol status and above. Users who do not have Autopatrol+ may still participate in discussions.
  2. Users who are currently blocked will not be allowed to vote, and any outstanding votes they have on proposals will be removed. Any proposal made by a user who is blocked during the consideration period will also be removed.
  3. All votes must be signed with signatures (type four tildes (~~~~.)) Unsigned votes are automatically negated, regardless of any points made.
  4. After two (2) weeks of voting, a proposal will be immediately enacted if the number of supportive votes is greater than the number of opposing votes, or, in the case of multi-option votes, any option receives a plurality consisting of three or more votes. In the event of a tie, the proposal may be re-voted upon with a one week duration, or annulled by the administrators.
  5. In the event a proposal has seven (7) unanimous support votes OR ten (10) support votes and no more than two neutral votes, as well as the support of a bureaucrat, a proposal may pass in only one (1) week instead of two.
  6. If a supported proposal is vetoed by the administrators, it is considered failed and should not be started again for at least 8 weeks (56 days).
  7. If a proposal fails to garner three (3) supporting votes (or 3 votes on any one option in multi-option proposals), it will not be considered.
  8. The original proposal maker may not vote on their own proposal if it only contains two options (i.e., "yes" or "no" proposals). However, proposers may vote on their own proposals if they have three or more options.
  9. All votes must be supported by a substantial reason from the voter. Simple and/or unproductive comments like "I agree" or "No that's stupid" will result in the vote being removed.
  10. The original proposer may cancel the proposal for any reason during the first three (3) days of its run, and it will not be considered failed. Admins may veto subsequent proposals if this is abused.
  11. Voting users may change their vote at any time before a proposal's deadline passes, but should update their timestamp if doing so.
  12. Discussion must remain civil at all times! Any uncivil discussion will result in the offending users' votes being negated, and possibly lead to strikes or a block.
  13. Excessive campaigning for any proposals will result in the campaigner's vote(s) being negated, or proposal being removed if applicable.
  14. Proposals about minor article manipulation (such as splits, merges, renames, or deletions) should not be created, unless the scope of the discussion is particularly large; otherwise, these should be handled on a case-by-case basis, through discussions or polls on the talk page of the article in question.
  15. It is recommended that a single user make only one (1) proposal at a time. Though simultaneous proposals from the same user are allowed, they are discouraged; this should ideally only be done if multiple issues are in question, and not many proposals are already active.
  16. For multi-option votes, voters are encouraged (but not required) to indicate a first, second, third, etc. vote. The exception to this is neutral votes, which must be the only vote if chosen.

Current Proposals

Updating Video policy to allow small official videos (July 4th 2023 - July 18th 2023)

Right now, the wiki's Video policy is mostly focused on trailers and gameplay footage recorded by wiki editors. On that scope, it makes perfect sense and covers well those subjects. However, there are some other kinds of videos that are currently not addressed there, and that I believe we need to address and to allow them to be directly uploaded on WiKirby. That policy was originally written quickly after the wiki's first video file was uploaded, and was set to be reviewed with proposals, so here I am. :P

For full context, Twitter has been dying for a couple months now, and its future continues to be uncertain. Very recently, it became impossible to view tweets without being logged in, and there is currently a limit on the number of tweets an account can read. With official Kirby Twitter accounts around, it became even more important to archive and document tweets from said accounts. As of right now, we document pretty well various Kirby Twitter posts, and by doing so we upload images alongside their text. I will use List of Kirby JP Twitter game reports - Kirby Star Allies as an example here. However, we do not upload videos of tweets when those exist, and instead we just upload the default image of the tweet's video. An example of that is File:KSA Twitter - Rick & Kine & Coo.jpg. There is a Twitter link right next to the post to click and see the video, but, in particular with Twitter's current situation, this is far from ideal. People can only watch the video if they are logged in on Twitter, and if they haven't reached their full quota for the day. And while you could say we can just link an archived link of that same link, this is assuming the link was archived before the change, since as of right now if you try to archive a tweet, it will archive the login page. Moreover, this is not future proof, as it will be impossible to archive new tweets with archive.org.

On a less priority note, some recent Kirby games have had tutorial videos which I think would be neat to have on the wiki. If you are on WiKirby's Discord, see here for a message I posted last year about Forgotten Land, and see here and here for a quick mention of videos like that from Return to Dream Land Deluxe. Currently these can only be uploaded if converted to gifs or apngs which... fine. But if the raw files are videos, I don't see the need to convert them when all the video files are super small.

Anyway, the wiki doesn't currently allow these videos to be uploaded, in particular due to these two points of the current policy:

  • Uploaded videos should only be of unedited gameplay footage, unless there is a very good reason otherwise. Generally, collaging different unedited footage in a single video is okay.
  • Uploaded videos must be the uploader's own work, or uploaded with explicit permission from the original creator. You may not upload videos by Nintendo or HAL Laboratory, even if they are publicly released. Use an embed for that instead.

The second point in particular the root of what I want to change. The "Use an embed for that instead" seems to imply that that is possible by default for all those kind of videos. For the two kinds I mentioned, there is no way to embed them unless we upload them to some random Youtube account and embed them, which feels very counter productive for me. If we are allowing videos to be uploaded on WiKirby, why are we telling people to embed all official videos? Again, this was probably written with only trailers and Youtube videos in mind, but the spectrum is much bigger than that. And as this stands, which a very restrictive policy, we only have three video clips uploaded on WiKirby, all of which could even just be gifs. Unless we want to take a step back and go back to disallowing videos on the wiki (which I don't think we should do), we need to make the video policy less restrictive.

With all that said, my proposal is to rewrite the Video policy to allow the two kinds of videos I mentioned above, by changing the policy points as follows (with only the first three points being changed):

  1. Uploaded videos should not be excessively large in size (not significantly larger than the largest images, which are around 5 MB). Exceptions can be made for official videos that are a bit larger than that, but should be avoided.
  2. Uploaded videos that are the uploader's own work should only be of unedited gameplay footage, unless there is a very good reason otherwise. Generally, collaging different unedited footage in a single video is okay.
  3. Uploaded videos must be the uploader's own work, or uploaded with explicit permission from the original creator. You may upload videos by Nintendo or HAL Laboratory only if they are short unique videos posted on social media such as Twitter, or present in the game itself such as tutorial videos. Trailers, advertisements, cutscenes, and other long videos should never be uploaded; use an embed for that instead.
  4. Uploaded videos are subject to similar quality standards to images and/or audio, and bad quality videos will be deleted. Generally speaking, gameplay footage should follow the same resolution standards as images.
  5. At least for now, you may not upload personal videos for your userpage. It must have some use for the wiki proper.

Thoughts, suggestions? In particular, is there any copyright issues with anything I mentioned? And as a final note, while most of the videos I mentioned here are not very big (usually at most 10 MB), some are bigger, like this (which is 20 MB), so I can understand concerns with that. But most of the videos are short and small like this. The size of videos to allow is still a bit up in the air, and we could perhaps ask to embed larger videos. Feel free to comment on that. - Gigi (talk • edits) 12:16, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Support
  1. Just for the mere fact that Twitter is in danger of extinction and being that for most of the year it's unavailable for me anyway I would very much like to see the videos uploaded to WiKirby. I don't see any reasons to oppose and that's all that matters at this point. ShadowKirby (t/c) a.k.a. your new overlord ShadowMagolor 12:47, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
  2. Agreed, there needs to be a way to preserve official videos (and also make them more accessible) and I'm not sure if Wayback Machine was ever capable of saving Twitter videos (and definitely isn't now). Having the tutorial videos on-wiki also seems good. ---PinkYoshiFan 13:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
  3. Allowing uploads of tutorial videos makes a lot of sense to me—they comprise a small part of the overall game, and they are clearly not replacements for playing the game both due to that and due to the resolution of the videos (no larger than 1000px in either dimension). For Twitter videos, one possibility is to host either downscaled or clipped versions of > 5 MB videos, and link to IA copies of full-resolution versions, but overall I think there is a rationale for many of them (thinking of the video that shows the KF2 HAL easter egg, to give just one example) to be uploaded without infringing on any of HAL's commercial opportunities. —willidleaway [talk | edits] 17:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
  4. I don't see any reason to go against this. Having videos from social media would be neat, which it is not so different from what is being done now, and having in-game videos that are not cutscenes uploaded here would be a good resource. -Zolerian (talk | contribs) 02:59, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
  5. This appears to be a highly logical safety measure to preserve content that is at risk of disappearing with no way to see it. Especially with how Twitter seems to be going down the drain it can't hurt to start preserving the relevant stuff on there now instead of taking the gamble. Infinite Possibilities (talk) 11:07, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Oppose
Neutral

Discussion

I'm coming to this late, but... Why wouldn't we? Even if Twitter wasn't currently (insert "crapping itself like _" here), it seems really silly to not have our own backups of these things in case an existing source does go down for any reason. Now, given, if they ask us to remove the videos that's a different story, but the way I see it, for Twitter-sourced videos we can send them something like this in return:

"Hi, yes, we'll remove them from the archive immediately. Do you have any other source than Twitter for these videos? We're concerned with the longevity of the platform and would like to source these videos on a more accessible platform."

And if they don't have that, then we deal with that from there.Waddlez3121 (talk) 01:18, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

A few things to consider:
  • Video files are inherently very large. Even if the server host is willing to take on a lot more of these files, it will also have a significant page loading factor for the end user—the more videos you have, the longer it may take a page to load.
  • There are not a lot of universal standard file formats to use: Do you plan on using MP4? AVI is generally large in size, MKV has rough support, and Vorbis OGV is also not supported on Apple systems. Furthermore, HEVC encoding (H.265) and MOV are proprietary. I think you need to develop clear and explicit guidelines for how exactly these files need to be uploaded and presented if this does move forward. Trig - 04:09, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

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